SX4 Diesel - Is it on the cards? Update: Now launched

Ramsagar · 23rd June 2009, 10:57

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Originally Posted by appuchan

In any case, Maruti seems to be permanently in short supply of diesel engines for its existing fleet. Not sure how they will manage for this now unless they have a different sourcing arrangement.

That's true, but seems to be they are meeting the demands of the customer’s quiet well.
Though they are short of supplying the swift diesel, they released Desire-diesel.
Now swift is getting delivered quickly than dezire.but there is a lot of delay for delivering the ZDI (6 months).

Guess the same happens when SX4-D is released, Desire will be release quickly than SX4

romeomidhun · 4th August 2009, 15:10

Source: Launch of Maruti SX4 diesel faces delay

"Maruti had promised that 2009 was going to be the year of increasing its presence in the diesel end of the market and had plans to push its premium sedan SX4 into the diesel category. But the company is running into delays in procuring the diesel engine from Fiat.
Fiat is already a supplier for Suzuki's SX4 range in Europe with a 1.9 litre engine.
In India, Maruti is keen on a 1.6 litre engine to help keep the price tag relatively lower but currently Fiat has licensed Suzuki to make only the 1.3 litre unit in India, not the 1.6 or 1.9 for that matter.

Maruti was keen on launching the diesel SX4 since Honda's new City came in to the market in October last year.

But Fiat did not want a clash with its new Linea that came into India this January. Fiat is expected to first launch a more powerful diesel Linea and that’s why the SX4 gets pushed to 2010.
This may not be great for Maruti as the SX4 has been steadily losing share with the Honda City now outselling the SX4. In the last six months, Honda sold 15,000 Cities while Maruti sold just 8000 SX4s.
Maruti is hoping the diesel SX4 revives the model's fortunes as it currently also gets cannibalised by the Swift Dzire.

Maruti is sticking to its volumes strategy and the new SX4 will only add to that but by ensuring that the engines are made in India, Maruti is also keeping one eye firmly on the margins."

So, no SX4 Diesel this year? :(

amit27 · 4th August 2009, 16:29

Wow ! look at the reasons Linea is coming out with more powerful given a choice I would prefer Linea over SX4 anyday . Well hope Fiat comes out 1.6 L or 1.9 L version in 2009

dhrishikesh · 4th August 2009, 17:19

Its really nice to know that SX4 will come in diesel !!
1.6L motor with diesel will work as a dream, will have a great pick-up !!

nurni76 · 4th August 2009, 17:58

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Originally Posted by dhrishikesh

Its really nice to know that SX4 will come in diesel !!
1.6L motor with diesel will work as a dream, will have a great pick-up !!

+1. The SX4 diesel with 1.6L engine will be a killer of a car. However, it is disappointing to note that there will be a delay in launch

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sanjayatarizona · 4th August 2009, 18:01

Just hope they do not turn up with a tuned "National Engine"

ownerofazkaban · 4th August 2009, 22:13

Its was on NDTV too y'day night. It will be launched in 1.6L fiat diesel in may '10 time frame.

however there was also a mention that in europe suzuki has 2 diesel options 1.9l ddis and something else ( didn't catch the name), both of which are not licensed for production in India.

AyAn! · 4th August 2009, 22:25

Wow! SX4 diesel will sell like hot cakes.Even if its a bit pricier.Hope it comes with the ZXi trim,which the diesel Swift and Ritz doesn't.

srishiva · 4th August 2009, 23:29

So Fiat wants to make some quick sales before SX4 diesel. Maruti should try to get away from Fiat since both companies will be playing in the same markets. Wonder what role GM can play in this.

deepakhon · 5th August 2009, 00:08

It is good to note that Fiat is learning from its past mistakes. If the 1.6 JTD has to be released, it will be good if they get it into Linea first, and then only they can think of licensing it to SX4.

sanagg1 · 5th August 2009, 06:21

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Originally Posted by srishiva

So Fiat wants to make some quick sales before SX4 diesel. Maruti should try to get away from Fiat since both companies will be playing in the same markets. Wonder what role GM can play in this.

FIAT a beaten down brand in India can put up a 300,000 engine capacity plant at Ranjangaon BUT MSIL avery accompalished and star rated manufacturer does not bother to even develop/buy a decent engine and facilitate manufacturing in INDIA :.(

abhibh · 5th August 2009, 07:35

AFAIK Suzuki does have a 1.6 DDiS and its from Peugeot. They don't need 1.6 from FIAT.

The Hurricane · 5th August 2009, 08:44

MSIL ( Maruti Suzuki India Limited) does have a state of art diesel engine manaufacturing plant at manesar which produces 2,00,000 units per annum. the fact is that exports take a bulk of the engines and the rest is what the domestic markets get thus causing a delay in diesel engines swift and swift dezires......

The Hurricane · 5th August 2009, 08:57

The SX4 will not come with a 1.6 DDiS as stated in this thread, instead it will come with a 1.3 DDiS with VGT in a more refined state with altered gear ratios and optimum tuning for better effciency than the Fiat LInea. This information has been informed to me from reliable sources at MSIL.
The Fiat Linea is a great car which sadly is sufferingfrom pathetic plastic and rubber quality which is being used in the car. A close friend of mine works for a TATA - FIAT dealership as a Parts Manager. He said he is not ordering more plastic parts for replacement like fuel lid opener, hoot opener, crome stip on the window panels, engine bay rubber beading housing. These just to name a few which are fixed with such substandard glue and quality.

notjustshrawan · 5th August 2009, 09:22

I think these rules and permission granting business from Fiat is why GM has not used Multi-jet engines in its Aveo and other models.

I remember reading several interviews of GM India heads where they were asked about the Fiat diesel engine application on their cars. They were quick to respond that they do not have any intentions now, and they are simply focusing on using their own engines for their cars.

The replies were kind of venomous in their own way.

4th August 2009, 15:10	#182
romeomidhun BANNED Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 3,282 Thanked: 4,876 Times	Launch of Maruti SX4 diesel faces delay? Source: Launch of Maruti SX4 diesel faces delay "Maruti had promised that 2009 was going to be the year of increasing its presence in the diesel end of the market and had plans to push its premium sedan SX4 into the diesel category. But the company is running into delays in procuring the diesel engine from Fiat. Fiat is already a supplier for Suzuki's SX4 range in Europe with a 1.9 litre engine. In India, Maruti is keen on a 1.6 litre engine to help keep the price tag relatively lower but currently Fiat has licensed Suzuki to make only the 1.3 litre unit in India, not the 1.6 or 1.9 for that matter. Maruti was keen on launching the diesel SX4 since Honda's new City came in to the market in October last year. But Fiat did not want a clash with its new Linea that came into India this January. Fiat is expected to first launch a more powerful diesel Linea and that’s why the SX4 gets pushed to 2010. This may not be great for Maruti as the SX4 has been steadily losing share with the Honda City now outselling the SX4. In the last six months, Honda sold 15,000 Cities while Maruti sold just 8000 SX4s. Maruti is hoping the diesel SX4 revives the model's fortunes as it currently also gets cannibalised by the Swift Dzire. Maruti is sticking to its volumes strategy and the new SX4 will only add to that but by ensuring that the engines are made in India, Maruti is also keeping one eye firmly on the margins." So, no SX4 Diesel this year? :( Last edited by romeomidhun : 4th August 2009 at 15:12.
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4th August 2009, 16:29	#183
amit27 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Guragaon Posts: 173 Thanked: 0 Times	Wow ! look at the reasons Linea is coming out with more powerful given a choice I would prefer Linea over SX4 anyday . Well hope Fiat comes out 1.6 L or 1.9 L version in 2009
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4th August 2009, 17:19	#184
dhrishikesh BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mumbai / Pune B Posts: 806 Thanked: 214 Times	Its really nice to know that SX4 will come in diesel !! 1.6L motor with diesel will work as a dream, will have a great pick-up !!
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4th August 2009, 18:01	#186
sanjayatarizona BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: "God's own Shaap" Posts: 354 Thanked: 10 Times	Just hope they do not turn up with a tuned "National Engine"
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4th August 2009, 22:13	#187
ownerofazkaban BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 456 Thanked: 80 Times View My Garage	Its was on NDTV too y'day night. It will be launched in 1.6L fiat diesel in may '10 time frame. however there was also a mention that in europe suzuki has 2 diesel options 1.9l ddis and something else ( didn't catch the name), both of which are not licensed for production in India.
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4th August 2009, 22:25	#188
AyAn! Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Durgapur/Calcutta/Pune Posts: 2,169 Thanked: 869 Times	Wow! SX4 diesel will sell like hot cakes.Even if its a bit pricier.Hope it comes with the ZXi trim,which the diesel Swift and Ritz doesn't.
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4th August 2009, 23:29	#189
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	So Fiat wants to make some quick sales before SX4 diesel. Maruti should try to get away from Fiat since both companies will be playing in the same markets. Wonder what role GM can play in this.
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5th August 2009, 00:08	#190
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	It is good to note that Fiat is learning from its past mistakes. If the 1.6 JTD has to be released, it will be good if they get it into Linea first, and then only they can think of licensing it to SX4.
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5th August 2009, 07:35	#192
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	AFAIK Suzuki does have a 1.6 DDiS and its from Peugeot. They don't need 1.6 from FIAT.
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5th August 2009, 08:44	#193
The Hurricane BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chennai, Cochin Posts: 104 Thanked: 69 Times	MSIL with a State of art engine manufacturing plant MSIL ( Maruti Suzuki India Limited) does have a state of art diesel engine manaufacturing plant at manesar which produces 2,00,000 units per annum. the fact is that exports take a bulk of the engines and the rest is what the domestic markets get thus causing a delay in diesel engines swift and swift dezires......
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5th August 2009, 08:57	#194
The Hurricane BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chennai, Cochin Posts: 104 Thanked: 69 Times	The SX4 will not come with a 1.6 DDiS as stated in this thread, instead it will come with a 1.3 DDiS with VGT in a more refined state with altered gear ratios and optimum tuning for better effciency than the Fiat LInea. This information has been informed to me from reliable sources at MSIL. The Fiat Linea is a great car which sadly is sufferingfrom pathetic plastic and rubber quality which is being used in the car. A close friend of mine works for a TATA - FIAT dealership as a Parts Manager. He said he is not ordering more plastic parts for replacement like fuel lid opener, hoot opener, crome stip on the window panels, engine bay rubber beading housing. These just to name a few which are fixed with such substandard glue and quality.
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5th August 2009, 09:22	#195
notjustshrawan BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: chennai Posts: 88 Thanked: 59 Times	I think these rules and permission granting business from Fiat is why GM has not used Multi-jet engines in its Aveo and other models. I remember reading several interviews of GM India heads where they were asked about the Fiat diesel engine application on their cars. They were quick to respond that they do not have any intentions now, and they are simply focusing on using their own engines for their cars. The replies were kind of venomous in their own way.
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