ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

driving_smartly · 25th November 2019, 15:12

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Originally Posted by coolmel

The Amsoil Signature Series in combination with their Cetane Boost gets a thumbs up from me. Liva has never driven this well before.

PS: The simple joys of watching the liquid gold go in!

Sheer delight.

I am awaiting my next oil change on Liva (Diesel) and i would definitely like to try the above combination (will take your help in procuring), current ODO nearing 77K.

Tried Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 earlier & switched to Shell Helix HX8 5W-30 at 74.5K.

On mileage front, HX8 seems to be much better, average FE has improved by 1-1.5kms per litre

coolmel · 25th November 2019, 15:14

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Originally Posted by driving_smartly

I am awaiting my next oil change on Liva (Diesel) and i would definitely like to try the above combination (will take your help in procuring), current ODO nearing 77K.

Tried Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 earlier & switched to Shell Helix HX8 5W-30 at 74.5K.

On mileage front, HX8 seems to be much better, average FE has improved by 1-1.5kms per litre

I'd be happy to and in fact was looking for someone who has tried the Shell on their Liva. Sending a pm.

hserus · 25th November 2019, 16:04

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Originally Posted by coolmel

I'd be happy to and in fact was looking for someone who has tried the Shell on their Liva. Sending a pm.

I am using the 5w30 A3/B4 HX8 on my wife's i10 and the engine is quite smooth, but it has only been around 2500 km from the last oil change so it is simply too early to tell.

coolmel · 25th November 2019, 16:15

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Originally Posted by hserus

I am using the 5w30 A3/B4 HX8 on my wife's i10 and the engine is quite smooth, but it has only been around 2500 km from the last oil change so it is simply too early to tell.

Thanks sire! Keep us posted.

I would have scooped the Helix but somehow don't find it comfortable buying oil online. Discounts be damned. Got the Amsoil straight from the warehouse. Comforting.

hserus · 25th November 2019, 16:30

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Originally Posted by coolmel

Thanks sire! Keep us posted.

I would have scooped the Helix but somehow don't find it comfortable buying oil online. Discounts be damned. Got the Amsoil straight from the warehouse. Comforting.

What specific grade and standard does the Etios Liva manual say you must use?

coolmel · 25th November 2019, 22:22

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Originally Posted by hserus

What specific grade and standard does the Etios Liva manual say you must use?

API CF4, CF or ACEA B1. Even API CE/CD works.

hserus · 26th November 2019, 11:04

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Originally Posted by coolmel

API CF4, CF or ACEA B1. Even API CE/CD works.

It isn’t that old an engine surely? Can you please quote from the manual

B1 is an obsolete standard - acea A5/B5 for petrol and diesel supersedes it. In such a case hx8 a3b4 won’t do, the Amsoil 5w30 signature will work or cheaper but good quality there are the Idemitsu and Valvoline All Climate Advanced 5w30 oils. Note both are competent middle order batsman type oils where Amsoil is Kohli level.

coolmel · 26th November 2019, 11:16

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Originally Posted by hserus

It isn’t that old an engine surely? Can you please quote from the manual

B1 is an obsolete standard - acea A5/B5 for petrol and diesel supersedes it. In such a case hx8 a3b4 won’t do, the Amsoil 5w30 signature will work or cheaper but good quality there are the Idemitsu and Valvoline All Climate Advanced 5w30 oils. Note both are competent middle order batsman type oils where Amsoil is Kohli level.

Quoted from the manual. It IS an old engine, now discontinued afaik. I've tried the Idemitsu and didn't like it at all. Valvoline not available here.

Sherlocked · 14th December 2019, 08:56

I had ordered Shell 5W30 engine oil from Amazon and received the courier just now. The manufacturing date mentioned on the oil container is 12/2018.
Is it safe to use this oil? What is the shelf life of engine oils in general?

Regards.

Rshrey22 · 14th December 2019, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Sherlocked

I had ordered Shell 5W30 engine oil from Amazon and received the courier just now. The manufacturing date mentioned on the oil container is 12/2018.
Is it safe to use this oil? What is the shelf life of engine oils in general?

Regards.

I can't say abhout Shell, but Mobil1 oils have a shelf life of 5 years so I think you will be just fine!

hserus · 14th December 2019, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Rshrey22

I can't say abhout Shell, but Mobil1 oils have a shelf life of 5 years so I think you will be just fine!

Any oil when stored sealed in reasonable conditions has five years of life. The oil itself has been underground for lakhs of years so won’t spoil but the detergents and additives mixed into the oil are what cause spoilage.

An opened and again closed can should be used within a year so if you have your next oil change coming up you can use that one liter of oil lying around from your last change.

Sherlocked · 16th December 2019, 10:04

I have around 500 ml of unused Shell Helix 5W30 lying around from this container. The specifications says API SN.

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Now I had ordered another 3.5 L container to be used for a Hyundai Eon which has an engine oil capacity of just 2.5 L.
This time Amazon delivered me this container which has the specification starting from API SN PLUS/SN.

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My query is - can I mix the earlier left 500 ml with the 1.5 L to be used from the new container. Will it be fine to mix these two since the new container has API SN PLUS specification while the earlier one has only API SN.

If I do this then in the next engine oil change for this car which will happen around 8 months later, I will have to buy just one litre of fresh oil which is available separately instead of buying the whole 3.5L container

. Moreover it will also put the leftover 500 ml to good use which otherwise will have to be disposed off.

Thanks In Advance.

hserus · 16th December 2019, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Sherlocked

I have around 500 ml of unused Shell Helix 5W30 lying around from this container. The specifications says API SN.

Now I had ordered another 3.5 L container to be used for a Hyundai Eon which has an engine oil capacity of just 2.5 L.
This time Amazon delivered me this container which has the specification starting from API SN PLUS/SN.

Not a problem as SN+ is fully reverse compatible to SN. It is developed specifically as an improvement of the SN spec for TGDI (turbo petrol) engines so if you have a turbo petrol like the Seltos get SN+ rather than SN, but otherwise mixing the two is not going to make any difference to your Eon. Use the old 500 ml first and fill two litres out of the 3.5 from your new can.

The rest of it - sealed tight and kept in a cool and dry space - will keep for upto a year.

shankar.balan · 16th December 2019, 19:08

@Hserus:

The Mini Cooper R56 model’s recommended oil grade speaks of BMW LL01 5W-30.
However it seems BMW India uses oil of LL04 - 0W-30.
They claim no problem with this substitution.

Do you have any inputs on this?

hserus · 16th December 2019, 21:07

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Originally Posted by shankar.balan

@Hserus:

The Mini Cooper R56 model’s recommended oil grade speaks of BMW LL01 5W-30.
However it seems BMW India uses oil of LL04 - 0W-30.
They claim no problem with this substitution.

Do you have any inputs on this?

Updated spec with low viscosity oil for greater fuel economy (and also ensuring that it flows even in freezing temperatures which shouldn't be an issue unless you're taking it into Ladakh).

Go ahead with a later bmw spec oil, or bmw LL 01 is very widely supported among third party engine oils. Eg shell helix ultra 5w40 or Amsoil 5w40 European Car Formula are great if all you need is the LL01 spec

By far the best for BMW LL04 in the open market is Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 - all the latest audi / merc / vw / bmw specs including LL04

https://www.amazon.in/Mobil-5W-30-Fu...dp/B00SFNNTSE/

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Sherlocked BHPian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Jaipur Posts: 688 Thanked: 1,812 Times	Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil I had ordered Shell 5W30 engine oil from Amazon and received the courier just now. The manufacturing date mentioned on the oil container is 12/2018. Is it safe to use this oil? What is the shelf life of engine oils in general? Regards.
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Sherlocked BHPian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Jaipur Posts: 688 Thanked: 1,812 Times	Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil I have around 500 ml of unused Shell Helix 5W30 lying around from this container. The specifications says API SN. Now I had ordered another 3.5 L container to be used for a Hyundai Eon which has an engine oil capacity of just 2.5 L. This time Amazon delivered me this container which has the specification starting from API SN PLUS/SN. My query is - can I mix the earlier left 500 ml with the 1.5 L to be used from the new container. Will it be fine to mix these two since the new container has API SN PLUS specification while the earlier one has only API SN. If I do this then in the next engine oil change for this car which will happen around 8 months later, I will have to buy just one litre of fresh oil which is available separately instead of buying the whole 3.5L container . Moreover it will also put the leftover 500 ml to good use which otherwise will have to be disposed off. Thanks In Advance. Last edited by Sherlocked : 16th December 2019 at 10:16.
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shankar.balan BANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,368 Thanked: 23,156 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/2 (8)	Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil @Hserus: The Mini Cooper R56 model’s recommended oil grade speaks of BMW LL01 5W-30. However it seems BMW India uses oil of LL04 - 0W-30. They claim no problem with this substitution. Do you have any inputs on this?
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