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Originally Posted by apachelongbow Clutch action is very smooth and effortless in my Safari, not sure if it gets harder in the Storme, surprising. |
Thats really surprising, but it is as we all found in the one we drove having only 5k on ODO. As Prajesh said, I hope it is a small thing and not common across Stormes.
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Regarding middle bench, since it is the same as the older Safari, I am extremely surprised at your comment. Are you looking at stuffing three oversized persons in that space? Three normal sized humans (6 feet tall even) can sit without spreading legs in the middle row.. unless the middle bench space has shrunk in the Storme.
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Forget oversized, we all 3 of us are medium built from 5'5" - 5'7" and having each one tried seating in the middle position, found it to be hindrance to spreading legs for the middle person. The middle bench seat is definitely long, wide and chunky and even provides more thigh support than Innova or XUV500, utterly comfortable in comparison. The middle person's feet get obstructed by the console and there is no other way than spread legs around the console to be in more comfortable position. The middle portion of the seat is also designed a bit shorter than the sides.
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You have to look at the Safari as a 5 seater Suv and not a 7 seater MUV, no offense, and look at the rear jumpseat area as a very large boot, and you might appriciate the acres of space.
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Absolutely, it has to be looked at as a 5 seater purely and so was our view too. 7 seater expectation is too much for this sort of arrangement. In fact we even tried seating down on floor by folding the jump seats and which was more comfortable but ofcourse it cannot work for commuting as well journeys.
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After the Safari, XUV,Innova are very cramped for space as per me,
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I find XUV500 is no way cramped comparatively, and we talking about middle row especially. Innova comparatively yes but has got flexibility of movable bench and has decent space if not as much as Storme. Of the lot, Safari can be said to be the best, only if that center a/c console was not hindrance to the middle passenger.
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also the seating is lower and doesnt provide me with the commanding view of traffic as in the Safari.
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Absolutely! Tell you frankly, Safari makes even a commoner look King of The Road that way. I too love that view.
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The beauty of the Safari is in its long distance cruising comfort, ability to mantain 120-140 for hours together, munching up miles
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That I can agree on a smooth road with least resistance and road less curvy.
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which are simply not possible in a Innova.
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That is absolutely not correct. Are you sure you had daylong experience of cruising in Innova at consistent high speeds in all the rows? In fact Innova is one thing you can cruise daylong without fatigue at consistent high speed on straight as well as curvy roads (if you can live with the boom sound which is no deterrent unless one takes it on self perceptions, I can vouch for that) and decent speeds even of rough roads. XUV500 beats it hands down now unless it suddenly throws up niggles on the way.
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If you are looking at moving 6-7 people, or looking at daily city commuting, then Safari/Storme is not the best car for you, if you are looking at criss crossing India with a week's luggage and 3-5 people, look no further.
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On contrary, I came out thinking that Storme was very good for a daily commute easily chuck-able through city traffic with its manners, turning radius and torque spread inspite of its bulk.
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Regarding pricing, its the way you look at it. 16.xx lacs for a 140ps/Abs/Ebd/Airbag/4x4 comfortable SUV is very good compared to a 110ps/4x2 MUV the Innova. It simply makes the Innova look over priced. As someone quoted in the other Storme thread, the Storme is 80% of the Fortuner for 50% the money, just shows how much the Toyotas keep ripping off us Indians.
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As I expressed already, the torque and power are phenomenal. But so does XUV500 stands its ground firmly. Innova has no ground for that, which does not stop it from being a able car in city traffic as well a highway family cruiser for all purposes except off-roading.
But the value of the car just doesn't end at the engine specs. As said, at this cost, XUV500 made more sense seeing better build overall. Innova/Fortuner are definitely rip off from price perspective, but look at them 5-6-7... years down the line, they still stand firm as good as new, whereas I am already finding the bits and pieces showing signs of improper build in Storme. Its one's perception if somebody wants to let go of all other factors and just buy at the price based upon the engine specs. For me, it is no no, I cannot digest such build so did the other friends having seen it felt too.