[NoLurkerForLong]

Originally Posted by v_square

Hey fellas!

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• One part was interesting. I have never experienced this feature elsewhere, so pardon me if it's something very trivial. So if the accelerator is let go off after shifting to any gear, the vehicle would maintain a relevant speed instead of coming to a halt. Say I engage the 6th gar, the car would maintain a speed of 60-70 even without any accelerator throttle. This is NEAT.

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This seems to be a safety hazard. You shouldnt be required to take two actions to slow down and with it being different from conventional behavior it can take time to get used as well. Pls check again if its feature or bug.

[Dr.AD]

Originally Posted by v_square

One part was interesting. I have never experienced this feature elsewhere, so pardon me if it's something very trivial. So if the accelerator is let go off after shifting to any gear, the vehicle would maintain a relevant speed instead of coming to a halt. Say I engage the 6th gar, the car would maintain a speed of 60-70 even without any accelerator throttle. This is NEAT.

I do not think that is true. There is no way the car can hold that speed for you when you lift off the foot from the accelerator pedal (we are not talking cruise control here, that is separate). What you experienced was just the momentum of the vehicle driving you forward - this is just the "coasting in gear". In 6th gear at 60-70 km/h (what you mentioned), the engine RPM would be quite low. That means there is not enough engine braking. This means the car will coast forward for some good distance before the momentum slowly reducing and the engine braking coming into effect to finally stop it. You may not realize this for first few hundred meters, but the car is actually slowing down, but with very small deceleration. If you were on an open highway and let this continue for half a km or so, you will realize the drop in the speed and the car slowly coming to a halt.

Originally Posted by NoLurkerForLong

This seems to be a safety hazard. You shouldnt be required to take two actions to slow down and with it being different from conventional behavior it can take time to get used as well. Pls check again if its feature or bug.

Nope. This is neither a feature nor a bug, nor a safety hazard. This is just the normal behavior under "coasting in gear".

[v_square]

Originally Posted by NoLurkerForLong

This seems to be a safety hazard. You shouldnt be required to take two actions to slow down and with it being different from conventional behavior it can take time to get used as well. Pls check again if its feature or bug.

Originally Posted by Dr.AD

I do not think that is true. There is no way the car can hold that speed for you when you lift off the foot from the accelerator pedal (we are not talking cruise control here, that is separate). What you experienced was just the momentum of the vehicle driving you forward - this is just the "coasting in gear". In 6th gear at 60-70 km/h (what you mentioned), the engine RPM would be quite low. That means there is not enough engine braking. This means the car will coast forward for some good distance ….
……in the speed and the car slowly coming to a halt.
Nope. This is neither a feature nor a bug, nor a safety hazard. This is just the normal behavior under "coasting in gear".

I would’ve assumed it to be coasting behaviour if the speed was already over 70. What’s interesting is, say the speed is 55 and you engage 6th gear. Just after gear engagement, you take your foot off the throttle. The speed would actually increase to around 65 and hold it there. That’s what I’m curious about. How’s this possible in a manual? The SA very specifically showed off this feature in 2nd gear(speed held at around 25), 3rd gear(speed held at 35), and finally 6th gear. I forgot to ask what do they call it.

[PaddleShifter]

Originally Posted by Dr.AD

I do not think that is true. There is no way the car can hold that speed for you when you lift off the foot from the accelerator pedal (we are not talking cruise control here, that is separate).

I have experienced this for more than a decade in FIAT Punto too. The anti stall can even take the car uphill without any accelerator input.

Punto can drive without stalling at around 35-40kmph in 4th or 5th gear. Ofcourse I never deliberately tried this for a longer duration as it would be stressful to the engine owing to lugging. Plus that would be a weird way to drive as well.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by Dr.AD

I do not think that is true. There is no way the car can hold that speed for you when you lift off the foot from the accelerator pedal (we are not talking cruise control here, that is separate). What you experienced was just the momentum of the vehicle driving you forward - this is just the "coasting in gear". In 6th gear at 60-70 km/h (what you mentioned), the engine RPM would be quite low. That means there is not enough engine braking. This means the car will coast forward for some good distance before the momentum slowly reducing and the engine braking coming into effect to finally stop it. You may not realize this for first few hundred meters, but the car is actually slowing down, but with very small deceleration. If you were on an open highway and let this continue for half a km or so, you will realize the drop in the speed and the car slowly coming to a halt.
Nope. This is neither a feature nor a bug, nor a safety hazard. This is just the normal behavior under "coasting in gear".

Actually it's not coasting at all. It's the diesel engine's anti stall kicking in. It's almost impossible to stall a diesel cause of the anti stall + torque. In any gear if the rpm is too low it will kick in the anti stall. 6th gear at 60-70kmph sounds about right for the anti stall to kick in and keep the car moving.

In the Ecosport it's 5th gear at 40kmph or so and it will take you to 50kmph in 5th with anti stall.

[ajaiD]

Initially my Compass used to stall all the time then I got a handle on things but I never experienced the anti stall feature is it a new addition ?

[abhatt]

Originally Posted by v_square

Hey fellas!
Phew! It's been a long post. Anyway, the next phase is deciding on the color. I'm equally torn between Red & Black. Any inputs from long term users regarding the aging of Red color?

Also, can we expect a discount on ex-showroom as well? Or is it just the insurance? What about insurance from an external party?

Last, why is this handling charges still a thing? I believe it was taken down long back. To any recent buyer: did you have to pay this?

Red is for the youth and hence the color for your age in my opinion. It is easier to maintain compared to Black as well.

Insurance quote is too high. I got a Limited Diesel and was quoted 1.2 which came down to 75 with all bells and whistles. Majority of the new owners got it for around 70k. Just tell them I will buy it externally from policy bazar.

Handling charges were waived off for me but my dealer was a nice guy and did not make it an unpleasant experience for me.

No discount on other components although he did throw in some accessories free for me. It all depends on relationship building.

[v_square]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Actually it's not coasting at all. It's the diesel engine's anti stall kicking in. It's almost impossible to stall a diesel cause of the anti stall + torque. In any gear if the rpm is too low it will kick in the anti stall. 6th gear at 60-70kmph sounds about right for the anti stall to kick in and keep the car moving.

In the Ecosport it's 5th gear at 40kmph or so and it will take you to 50kmph in 5th with anti stall.

That seems legit and probably the right explanation. Thanks.

Originally Posted by ajaiD

Initially my Compass used to stall all the time then I got a handle on things but I never experienced the anti stall feature is it a new addition ?

Yeah it could be. I mean I'm not sure about the previous iterations, but the current one definitely has this.

[v_square]

Originally Posted by abhatt

No discount on other components although he did throw in some accessories free for me. It all depends on relationship building.

I've finalized Red . Red with black dual tone looks good IMO. If it was red overall, I would've stayed away. I don't even like the body colored cladding to be honest, which comes with S and anniversary editions.

I've contacted another dealer and the price difference is huge.

Here's the quote from dealer 1:
Ex-showroom: 22,69,000
TCS: 22,690
Insurance: 1,00,000(Initially 1.5lac)
RTO: 2,38,000
Fasttag: 500
Handling: 11,000
Ext Warranty: 40,000
Total: 26,81,190

Quote from dealer 2:
Ex-showroom: 22,30,000
TCS: 22,300
Insurance: 68,215
RTO: 2,38,000
Fasttag: 500
Ext Warranty: 36,000
Total: 25,95,015

[PaddleShifter]

Originally Posted by ajaiD

but I never experienced the anti stall feature is it a new addition?

Anti stall is not exactly a feature that is put into cars. Its more of a characteristic. Modern engines are designed to work in a manner that they try to resist stalling of the engine by providing fuel just enough to keep the engine going. Diesel engines have good torque available and this ‘feature’ works better in those engines:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...ting-what.html (anti-stall setting . what is this ?)


https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...modern_manual/

[Pancham]

Originally Posted by v_square

Quote from dealer 2:
Ex-showroom: 22,30,000
TCS: 22,300
Insurance: 68,215
RTO: 2,38,000
Fasttag: 500
Ext Warranty: 36,000
Total: 25,95,015

Is that a cash discount of INR 39000 you are getting? Can you please confirm because the Compass had no discounts all this time?

Also, insurance of 70K sounds about right.

About the colour, red is my favourite too but in my view it does not go with the tan/orange interiors.

[v_square]

Originally Posted by Pancham

Is that a cash discount of INR 39000 you are getting? Can you please confirm because the Compass had no discounts all this time?

Also, insurance of 70K sounds about right.

About the colour, red is my favourite too but in my view it does not go with the tan/orange interiors.

Yes I’ve been offered a discount on the ex-showroom price. Insurance I’m still not sure since PolicyBazar shows majority of them available in 50k. I believe there’s still scope for negotiation. 20K extra just for cashless seems a stretch to me.

And I share the same sentiment regarding the interior/exterior color match. I’m hoping to get the tan leather replaced by black leather someday.

[abhatt]

Originally Posted by v_square

I've contacted another dealer and the price difference is huge.

Here's the quote from dealer 1:
Ex-showroom: 22,69,000
TCS: 22,690
Insurance: 1,00,000(Initially 1.5lac)
RTO: 2,38,000
Fasttag: 500
Handling: 11,000
Ext Warranty: 40,000
Total: 26,81,190

Quote from dealer 2:
Ex-showroom: 22,30,000
TCS: 22,300
Insurance: 68,215
RTO: 2,38,000
Fasttag: 500
Ext Warranty: 36,000
Total: 25,95,015

Is it possible he has some old stock before the recent price hike? 22.69 lak is the ex showroom price for limited based on online data.

Ensure its not a display or test drive vehicle.

[Bineet_D]

Hello,

Need help from fellow Jeepers for my Model S Diesel AT.
On the MID, on the top left, I had set it to display the Compass (direction), but today when I started the car, it is lying blank. When I configure the top left to display some other parameter like time or temperature, it displays perfectly. Any leads for the probable issue?

Thanks,
Bineet

[Vandit]

Originally Posted by v_square

Yes I’ve been offered a discount on the ex-showroom price. Insurance I’m still not sure since PolicyBazar shows majority of them available in 50k. I believe there’s still scope for negotiation. 20K extra just for cashless seems a stretch to me..

I'm quite surprised at this. Unless the repeated lockdowns all over the country and the ever changing market competitiveness has actually pushed Jeep to realise they need to start selling more than just 500-700 units a month, they were pretty adamant about any upfront discounts.

And yes, that insurance shown to you on their sheet is eyewash.. you won't have to wait more than 30sec for them to "offer" you a discount on the insurance component because clearly it isn't 1.5 lakhs.. in fact it isn't even 1lakh. It was a tactic they've used from the start. I got offered the same.

It could also be a variant specific thing but still, I'm sceptical of them discounting the ex-showroom office!