[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by RijuC

If the old Alloys are not from your personal vehicle or the know circle, I would suggest not to go for it. You never know what abuse they were subjected to. And wheel rims are extremely important and critical components of a vehicle in my opinion. Some essential costs cannot be compromised. If you see my posts, I am inclined towards steel rims rather than changing them to alloys. I have seen people got stranded due to bent alloys. If I finally opt for alloys, I'd buy OEM accessories or a good brand.

Yes, will search for the old Scorpio R17 alloys in the known circle. Oresle its always better to go for good Brand or OEM alloys.

[chipsnchops]

Originally Posted by rooster.ram

No, it isn't that heavy for 4WD. You can go through these approved documents. It shows a difference of 100 kg.
approved variants by transport department (Next-gen Mahindra Scorpio | Now revealed as Scorpio-N)

Yes. You are right.... It's about 100 odd kgs additional. It was a typo. It would take more than a V12 engine as additional fitting to come close to 500 kg. My bad !

[chipsnchops]

Originally Posted by rodeoz

Anyone considering tyre upsizing?

Considering the N comes with both R17 and R18 tyres as stock, is there likely to be any difference in performance if we upgrade R17 to OEM R18 with relevant rims?

I was also inclined towards switching from 17 inches to 18 but then I did some reading online and realized that R17 is the better choice for comfort and is less expensive when compared to R18. So decided to stick with R17.

17” Alloy Wheels
Higher profile
Less sporty looking
More comfortable
Less road noise
Less expensive

18” Alloy Wheels
Lower profile
Better looking
Better handling
More road noise
More expensive

If you switch to a higher profile rim and keep the tyre profile the same, it seems that the wheel will take fewer rotations to cover the same distance which would cause the speedometer to show a lower speed than it actually is going at.

So normally when you switch to a higher profile rim, you should go with a lower profile tyre so that the overall wheel size remains the same.

Im sure the experts here can give more insights into this.

[ohaak]

Originally Posted by rodeoz

Anyone considering tyre upsizing?

Considering the N comes with both R17 and R18 tyres as stock, is there likely to be any difference in performance if we upgrade R17 to OEM R18 with relevant rims?

You have much lesser tyre options on the R18 wheels, specifically the A/T tyres. I would recommend getting nicer alloys for R17 from reputed companies like Plati if looks are a concern.

[greenoval]

Currently the stock R17 rims in lower variants and Z8 manual come with 245/65 tyres. Can we upgrade to 255/65 on the same R17 rims?

[rahulya007]

Originally Posted by greenoval

Currently the stock R17 rims in lower variants and Z8 manual come with 245/65 tyres. Can we upgrade to 255/65 on the same R17 rims?

If you upgrade from 245/65 to 255/65 then the 3% max variance from stock size might get impacted. Ideal is if you increase the contact patch, reduce the shoulder height. So instead of 255/65 go for 255/60. Rim size should be able to easily support the added width.

[LearnerForLife]

It just hit me that for the Z8L variants with Driver Drowsiness Detection, there must be a camera somewhere on the dash taking pictures of the driver and checking if he/she is yawning or dozing off :-)

Has anyone seen where this camera is?

[Tanmay007]

Originally Posted by LearnerForLife

It just hit me that for the Z8L variants with Driver Drowsiness Detection, there must be a camera somewhere on the dash taking pictures of the driver and checking if he/she is yawning or dozing off :-)

There is no camera, it’s a basic system that monitors the driver inputs (steering, IC controls, etc) and calculates a score.

More advanced driver alertness detection systems exist which have a dedicated camera/eye tracking. Maybe the next-gen XUV will get those for hands-free ACC.

[Aventus]

Originally Posted by Tanmay007

There is no camera, it’s a basic system that monitors the driver inputs (steering, IC controls, etc) and calculates a score.

More advanced driver alertness detection systems exist which have a dedicated camera/eye tracking. Maybe the next-gen XUV will get those for hands-free ACC.

Apart from calculating the score and asking you to take a break, does it give vibratory alerts also? Brochure says that it gives steering wheel vibrations when it detects that you are drowsy but I have not found a single video of any review where it has been shown to be giving vibratory alerts.

[CarSupremo]

Would you know about any Maxxis tyre importer in mumbai, who can import Maxxis Razr tyres? If anyone knows kindly share importer name and details

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by Aventus

Apart from calculating the score and asking you to take a break, does it give vibratory alerts also? Brochure says that it gives steering wheel vibrations when it detects that you are drowsy but I have not found a single video of any review where it has been shown to be giving vibratory alerts.

The manual state as follows :-

The Driver Drowsiness Detection system advises the driver to take a break from continuous long duration driving when driver fatigue can be detected based on the driver's steering behavior.
The system evaluates the steering behavior at speeds of 60-200 km/h.
Conditions under which a break from driving is detected by the system are as follows.
• The vehicle is stopped and the ignition switched off.
• The vehicle is stopped, the seat belt removed, and the driver's door opened.
• The vehicle is stopped for more than 15 minutes.

[akannath]

Dear all, was in India last month and managed to do a test drive of the Scorpio N, top end diesel manual. I already have a Z6 Diesel booked at introductory price with a promised deliver time of April-May 2023. Below are my observations:

1. Exterior looks huge and imposing as others have metioned - proper macho looks and sure to be given way by others on the road. Heck, the XUV700 looks more squat and a level down in comparison (no offense to owners)!! Had both in the showroom so could do a visual comparison. However, this does not translate into a lot of space on the inside. I feel the last quarter has been truncated which has resulted in the less than adequate space in the 3rd row. You can sort of feel this disconnect when the vehicle is viewed side-on.

2. On the inside, nice and roomy for 3 passengers in the 2nd row. Had my parents climb into the vehicle and they did not find any issues getting into the 2nd row - this was one of my concerns. Infact they commented that the step was a big help and was at the right height for them. Both of them do not have any knee problems as yet.

3. 3rd row is pretty cramped as commented by all. I am 5.9 and managed to sit there with knees up and no knee room...they were gently brushing against the 2nd row seatbacks. Would I want to sit there for long trips - absolutely no.
Can I sit there if needed - Yes, I can, for about 30-40 mins.
I believe kids and shorter adults (<5.3) should be ok there. Had my kids sit there for a minute or so- they hated it, but then they hate sitting in all the 3rd rows seats, including my Kodiaq.

4.Drove the vehicle over highway roads and then onto some broken patches. Drive was a breeze, thanks to the super light steering. Took me by surprise initially but was comfortable in a few minutes. And lots of power and torque available, managed to get to near triple digits over a very short stretch on the highway

5. Excellent road visibility and you do feel like a King on wheels. Although a manual, the vehicle could do most of the journey in 4th gear - I went from 15-20 to 50Km/hr in 4th gear, as suggested by the SA and the vehicle never felt strained at low speeds. Thats a plus in my view...gives the feel of a semi-automatic if you like

6. Brakes are very abrupt - will need a little getting used to. But no deal breaker or concerns

7. No lateral movement or discomfort felt by my parents in the 2nd row, when changing lanes or overtaking. However, sudden lane shits or maneuvers will toss you sideways a bit, but I was expecting it to be a lot worse. Somehow, Mahindra have engineered this aspect very well.

8. On bad patches and broken roads, the vehicle just glided over with aplomb - you will feel vertical movements especially in the 3rd row but thats a given. Otherwise, a comfortable ride quality for the front and 2nd row passengers.

9. Fit and finish were good I guess - but I understand the Z6 may not have all the blings on the inside which is fine with me. I am hoping it is good enough to last 10 years of usage, that's all I am looking to get out of the car.

10. Boot space is non-existent with all 3 rows up. Will resort to a roof carrier. However, when 3rd row is folded up against the 2nd row, there is a very useable boot space. The floor contour is uneven which many have commented as a potential deal breaker, but I did not find it too bad. We have a 2009 Innova in our family which has side folding 3rd row seats and that too had the same or similar uneven floor contours and yet we have packed in 5 large suitcases in the past during airport runs. So not an issue for me personally.

Overall, came back pretty impressed with the vehicle. Some misses here and there but for Rs.14.99, I think its a very good VFM.

Next, had a chance to drive the XUV700 AX7L as well. Without getting in to the details, the XUV700 definitely felt the more posher and luxurious vehicle, although external dimensions may belie this impression. The automatic was super good and easy to drive, lots of power on demand, excellent interiors and a very useable 3rd row space compared to the ScorpioN.
Sadly, all this comes at a premium and even the AX5 will cost me ~4 lakhs more than the Z6 (and does not come with ESP) and this is money I do not have.

I also have a booking for the Grand Vitara Mild Hybrid and I am just waiting for the prices to be announced to do a comparison with the Z6. I suspect the Zeta will be around 14 lakhs ex-sh, at which point Z6 becomes even more attractive. Yes, the mileage from the Z6 would pinch us a little, expecting a maximum of 12kmpl but then our annual running is <7000km, so should be manageable.

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by akannath

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Had my parents climb into the vehicle and they did not find any issues getting into the 2nd row - this was one of my concerns. Infact they commented that the step was a big help and was at the right height for them. Both of them do now have any knee problems as yet.

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I also have a booking for the Grand Vitara Mild Hybrid and I am just waiting for the prices to be announced to do a comparison with the Z6. I suspect the Zeta will be around 14 lakhs ex-sh

Similar thoughts here.
My parents liked the high seating position of the ScorpioN 2nd row. Foot steps were at the right height as well. No complaints with ingress and egress.

I have a Z4 Diesel AT booked at introductory price. And also a Grand Vitara Zeta AT mild Hybrid. Judging by the pricing of the Hyryder Mild Hybrid Top variant AT pricing, I feel even the Zeta AT will be expensive in comparison to ScorpioN Z4 D AT.

I am more inclined towards the ScorpioN now.

[akannath]

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

Similar thoughts here.

I have a Z4 Diesel AT booked at introductory price. And also a Grand Vitara Zeta AT mild Hybrid.

Same here...a ZETA AT mild Hybrid is what I have gone for. My SA tells me the prices will be revealed next week with cars arriving in the showroom by month end. Apart from the price, and unenthusiastic engine (which I may be able to live with given its primarily for parents to be chauffeur driven), I am also concerned about 2nd row cabin width. All the reviews including our very own suggest its best for 2 adults + kid.

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by akannath

Same here...a ZETA AT mild Hybrid is what I have gone for. My SA tells me the prices will be revealed next week with cars arriving in the showroom by month end.

Sorry Mods for off-topic or cross posting

I was expecting 15.5 lakh on-road (5 years road-tax) for the Zeta AT because XL6 Alpha plus AT is quoted at 15.7 lakhs here but that won't be the case. Zeta AT might be overpriced for me.

As for the engine, My current and only car in the garage is a Thar Diesel AT, so I will definitely not be able to adjust with the K15C I guess, especially when its price is near to 17 lakhs or more. So, I might retain the Thar if financial conditions are not met.

ScorpioN looks like a better choice with better road presence and robust-ness.
I am hoping to see some youtube videos on the Z4 variants once they start arriving at dealership by November or December this year.