[greenoval]

Since the Government of India has mandated that all new cars manufactured from October 1, 2022 will come equipped with 6 airbags, will the lower variants of Scorpio N booked at the introductory price but manufactured post October 1, 2022 get 6 airbags?

With M&M prioritizing higher variants, the probability that most lower variants in the initial 25,000 bookings will enter production around October 2022 is high. A giant like M&M would have definitely taken this cost escalation into account if 6 airbags are mandatory. Or maybe the cost of adding 4 more airbags to lower variants is insignificant when higher variants already have 6.

[rahulya007]

It could also be that Mahindra will provide 6 air bags for lower variants post Oct 2022 and they might have already considered the cost in the introductory prices as well. If 6 airbags are provided in the lower variants right from the launch, people more sensitive towards safety than features might go for lower variants and bookings for higher variants might get impacted. Also, by providing 6 airbags in lower variants post Oct in the same price would automatically earn them brownie points or increasing the cost of those variants by say 50-70K would also justify as they had to integrate 4 additional air bags as per new norms thereby justifying the price hike. In both cases, win-win situation for M&M.

[SunLikeStar]

I intend to install a large size roof top carrier on the car. does any one know the roof rail load bearing capacity?

[Indepth]

Originally Posted by rahulya007

It could also be that Mahindra will provide 6 air bags for lower variants post Oct 2022 and they might have already considered the cost in the introductory prices as well.

I don't think 6 airbags mandatory rule is coming from October. If such was the case every new launch would have been with 6 airbags.
I think I read somewhere that it has been postponed untill April 2023. Every car has to implement this, not only ScorpioN. I can see no activity in this regard from any manufacturer. So far only carens has 6 from base variant (luxury cars excluding).

[rahulya007]

Originally Posted by Indepth

I don't think 6 airbags mandatory rule is coming from October. If such was the case every new launch would have been with 6 airbags.
I think I read somewhere that it has been postponed untill April 2023.

The government will make it mandatory for carmakers to provide a minimum of six airbags in motor vehicles that can carry up to eight passengers for enhanced safety of occupants, Union minister Nitin Gadkari said on Monday.

"A draft notification has been issued on January 14, 2022, which mandates that vehicles of category M1, manufactured after October 1, 2022, shall be fitted with two side/side torso air bags, one each for the persons occupying front row outboard seating positions, and two side curtain/tube air bags, one each for the persons occupying outboard seating positions," it had said.


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[Indepth]

Originally Posted by rahulya007

"A draft notification has been issued on January 14, 2022, which mandates that vehicles of category M1, manufactured after October 1, 2022

The information is self explanatory. It is a draft notification only. Never got implemented so far. The pressure exerted by OEMs prevented this. This will be implemented surely but not in October.
Nothing is moving on ground for such huge step. October is at doorstep. Next deadline may not be before April 2022.

[Poitive]

Originally Posted by rahulya007

..."A draft notification has been issued on January 14, 2022, which mandates that vehicles of category M1, manufactured after October 1, 2022, shall be fitted with ...." it had said.

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I believe it is a PTI report from July 2022 that the above is from. Also reported by ET as seen in this link:
https://m.economictimes.com/industry...w/92498421.cms

However, another report from 04 August 2022 says:

During the Question Hour, Bharatiya Janata Party MP Nishikant Dubey raised the issue of airbags. “Every year, more than 1.50 lakh people die in road accidents. The government has decided that the rule making it compulsory to have six airbags in a car will be introduced. The draft notification data is in October this year, but it has not been issued. When will the notification be issued, so that automobile manufacturers can introduce this feature in their vehicles,” Hindustan Times sister website Live Hindustan quoted the MP.

Gadkari replied that airbags must be installed in the cars. However, there is no such rule for the passengers who are seated in the rear seat. But the government has now decided that it will make it mandatory to install airbags for all the passengers.

“A single airbag costs just ₹800. The government is mulling the proposal,” the minister said. But he did not mention the time by which it would be notified.

On May 31, Maruti Suzuki India had urged the Centre to reconsider the proposal to...

Source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/car-b...611785750.html

Had this to come into effect on 01 October 2022, we would have seen some announcements by now, and Mahindra and other companies would have announced models accordingly.

[RijuC]

Whether the mStallion petrol engine will be compatible to the new proposed higher Ethanol content blended petrol?

If No, what would be the alternative way? I understand the present grade of Petrol will continue at least next 15 years.

Or, whether there will be some additional fitments, equipment to be attached with the present engine/ fuel circuit/ exhaust circuit?

If Yes, whether there will be any difference or deterioration of the performance of the mStallion petrol engine?

[Incinerated]

Originally Posted by RijuC

Whether the mStallion petrol engine will be compatible to the new proposed higher Ethanol content blended petrol?

If No, what would be the alternative way? I understand the present grade of Petrol will continue at least next 15 years.

Or, whether there will be some additional fitments, equipment to be attached with the present engine/ fuel circuit/ exhaust circuit?

If Yes, whether there will be any difference or deterioration of the performance of the mStallion petrol engine?

From my understanding, the ethanol blended fuel will only be able to be run with vehicles with new "flex engines". The current generation of engines won't be able to use the ethanol blended fuel.

And yes, there will be a performance drop too in the flex engines, by comparison of their normal counterparts.

[rooster.ram]

Originally Posted by RijuC

Whether the mStallion petrol engine will be compatible to the new proposed higher Ethanol content blended petrol?
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E20 blending is still some time away and manufacturers may not be acting so much in advance to be competent and to achieve high margins. IMHO, expecting them to act early is out of scope especially when many other actions from many stakeholders need to be aligned e. g. Bringing land under cultivation of such ethanol efficient crops, ramping up production capacity of ethanol.

Sharing an interesting read, article provides many points on ethanol blending and other aspects of E20/ electric mobility

https://www.indiaspend.com/amp/expla...od-idea-816482

Quote from the article

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Ethanol can be used in vehicles calibrated to that particular degree of ethanol blending (for eg, E20) or in flex fuel vehicles that can run on pure fossil fuel or fossil fuels blended with any degree of biofuels.

There is a long way for vehicles to be E20 compatible. Vehicles made in India since 2008 are material-compatible (rubber and plastic components) with E10 and fuel-efficient compliant with E5 (5% ethanol blended in petrol), but their engines are not tuned to E10 for optimum performance. At the next stage, when E10 petrol is made available across the country, new vehicles will need engine modifications.

Besides, when using E20, there is an estimated loss of 6-7% fuel efficiency for four-wheelers which are originally designed for regular petrol and calibrated for E10; 3-4% loss for two-wheelers designed for regular, unblended petrol, and calibrated for E10, and 1-2% loss for four-wheelers designed for E10 and calibrated for E20. To offset this, the government might have to consider tax incentives on E10 and E20 fuel."

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by MetalClank

Question on boot cladding of Scorpio N : What is inside the cladding that makes the cladding so thick? There is no speaker here for sure, so cannot figure out what is stuffed inside it?

Most likely to provide adequate crumple zone in case of rear collision. Might have some sound deadening materials too to reduce noise/vibration.

[84.monsoon]

Originally Posted by Indepth

I don't think 6 airbags mandatory rule is coming from October. If such was the case every new launch would have been with 6 airbags. .

After BS6, this is probably the most disruptive regulation for the auto industry. It is highly unlikely it will get implemented for the next few years:

The change is much more then the cost of providing a couple of additional airbags. Consider the fact that most of the small cars made by Maruti and Hyundai are not equipped with 6 air bags even in the top variants. The cars are incompatible as currently designed, to accommodate 6 airbags, especially the side curtain ones. Side curtain airbags require specific provisions to be made on the roof for sensors, the airbags themselves and the deployment space. If the current design of the roof does not provide the space for these, the roof would have to be completely re-designed, to do this. This word mean the full design the car may have to be re-visited as well, because weight of the roof would increase affecting the centre of gravity and changing the roll-over risk profile. The stability and safety of the roll cage may also get affected. Ground up re-design will be required for those models currently not designed to accommodate 6 airbags,, which takes years, as the new designs have to be tested and certified.

The rule may cause dozens of models to become extinct, mostly affecting Maruti Suzuki. The industry is just about recovering from the pandemic and BS6 blows and another massive blow like this would be impossible for the industry to swallow as significant volumes are still in the B segment, where the cars are incompatible.

On top of this, what happens to soft top and fibre top vehicles such as the Thar ? These obviously seat at least 4 passengers and applying consistent safety standards, should have curtain airbag protection for rear passengers? But such vehicles obviously cannot have roof mounted curtain airbags. So would M&M have to scrap the Thar ? The regulation is not even thought through fully and so I see no chance of implementation at least till 2025 as automakers would need time to re-design existing cars.

[Neil Roy]

Hi guys,

Came across this strange phenomenon of a new scorpio N with white smoke coming out of the tail pipe. The smell of the smoke was also different, meaning that it was not like unburnt fuel. Sharing the video below. Guess the experts can elucidate further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMoxaWS9P20

[MetalClank]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

Hi guys,

Came across this strange phenomenon of a new scorpio N with white smoke coming out of the tail pipe. The smell of the smoke was also different, meaning that it was not like unburnt fuel. Sharing the video below. Guess the experts can elucidate further.

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=nMoxaWS9P20

I think this is DPF renegeration?

[rahulya007]

Guys, has anyone tested what this video option does ? Does the system play videos ? I am told by SA that BS6 vehicles do not play video owing to safety measures. I saw this option in one of youtube videos.