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Originally Posted by Shubz Dustom sir - I have a few questions for you. Help appreciated.
O2 sensors - Are they still in place after removing stock exhaust? I vaguely remember the SA mentioning that the O2 sensors are gone along with the stock exhausts.
AFR - What would be my AFR after the exhaust mod, How do I check it?
Gain - What would be the gain I would've got after this? Can that be measured?
XiEd - did your friend run them for two years before going the SEPRT/PV way?
Thanks,
Shubz |
First Let me start by saying that "SIR" is not required...
we are more of HOG brothers than anything else!
1. I have not read the entire thread but I believe You have SLIPON from V&H , O2 sensors are placed on both Exhaust pipes just after they come out of cylinder and bend downwards.
You could verify this by looking at your front cylinder exhaust , if you look from Inbetween the Frame Downtubes ( Near horn) You can locate some mettalic contraption sticking out of Exhaust pipe with wiring attached to it!
Since in slip on mufflers only Muffler is changed not the Header pipes , there is no reason for O2 sensors to be missing or removed.
I believe someone must have told you about CatCON being gone , as OEM exhaust have CATCON inside both mufflers and AFtermarket ones does not have catcon (Thats why its written on packing "for closed course and racing application only"
Verify your exhaust , I do not think your sensors will be missing , I they are , ask the dealership to hand them over to you ( They are Expensive).
Bike Is likely to run pretty much ok even without O2 sensors , as ECU has base map to fall back to but It will not learn from your riding style ( Called Adaptive Fuel Trim).
Also keep the removed OEM mufflers with you , do not leave them at workshop, you can sell them for 4-5k or keep them for future.
2. AFR is very difficult to findout , You can get some sense if Its too lean by Abnormal Temperature, unwilling to accelerate smoothly (In higher gears) specially after long stop go traffic / Jam or Extended Idle. Pinging / knocking from engine.
One can get a Vague sense from looking at spark plugs after riding atleast a few hundred KM. ( Black / soot / wet) - Rich , (Bluish tinge / white flakes / white rust ) - lean
All this will require experience .
One most likely sign is Hickup / hesitation if you suddenly twist to accelerate!
Only sure Shot way is TTS Master Tune , SE Pro super Tuner or Power vision.
All of them will cost about same , SEPST being the cheapest.
If you have Stock AC , there is nothing to worry . Bike will be fine . Biggest advantage of Over engineering and Under tuning. 883 has all the hardware of 1200 engine - so Fin area on 883 is actually designed to cool even modified 1200s
Most likely your AFR will have come back to 14.64(stock) for most of the range below 4k rpm , above that stock AC will not be able to cope anyway. Enjoy your ride , all is well!
3. Gain.
while top end gain will not be significant and may be in region of 5-8% without a better AC and Remap , Exhaust will have Improved your Mid range Torque quite a bit. there should be a likely jump of 15% easily but only in mid range .
You are going to love and feel better acceleration on the actual road conditions in daily routein rides.
In time when you go for a HD Remap with better AC - overall figures may get into mid 80ies for Torque and RWHP to 47+-2 , SAE horsepower very nearly 55+bhp. If you Know how to and when to shift you will leave most 70bhp Yamasukies for dead.
Aggresive Remaps can put you in 90nm aswell.
4.Xieds- they are as stupid as stupid ducks! they make you rich everywhere , even in places where the map is already rich , also there is something called Acceleration Enrichment, with ecu trying to enrich your map because of sudden throttle burst , They will enrich it further and you will loose power because of incomplete combustion instead of gaining!
Running too rich is equally /more bad on HD than running lean!
For a total poser they make so much power that 883 will smoke R1!
Also it does not deal with Spark correction , so you gain lot of HP in your head not on the wheel!
My friend ran it only for about 2 months on 48. then moved to Fuelpak for another year . Now has SEPST and stock HD remap and cams .
Engine is most expensive part of your ride , it needs love to love you back !