[prithm]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

At one time brands like Ziebart and Dinitrol were very popular in the UK. The seem to have all fallen by the wayside.

This is true (whole heartedly agree) and lack of usage is not attributed to advancement in metallurgy, but plain simple business tactic.

If I don't take care of my bare metals, they will rust and in turn, it will fail and I need to get it replaced with new part. If I put a barrier to stop the rust or degradation, then the business cycle is disrupted.

Classic example, the axle boot care. If I simply do a overhaul every 20 or 30,000 Kms (just clean, refill with boot grease and get the boot coated with products such as 303, I can extend its life for atleast 4 times. But, service centres just dont do it, neither do they educate the driver and wait for the part to fail and do not care if the boot is leaking or cracked.

Underbody coating (if living in coastal region or not) is a must to make sure the underbody is given a layer of protection from all grime and grit and annual clean up and touch up is necessary.

[ihrishi]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

At one time brands like Ziebart and Dinitrol were very popular in the UK. The seem to have all fallen by the wayside.

Hello,

Dinitrol is very much available in India. They have their own center in mumbai where treatment is done. you can contact Ryan on 9221059050

From what I understand, Dinitrol does a full vehicle anti-corrosion treatment covering the entire vehicle, and not just the underside.

I had my Linea done up from the place and its 8 years of no worries since then. Off late, I did see some of their products on Amazon under the TufKote brand.

[Jeroen]

Dinitrol is very much alive and being applied on many (classic) cars. The truth with all these treatments is that people forget cleaning the car is 90% of the effort. All my cars have a had full Dinitrol treatment done by a specialist company. The cleaning alone takes anywhere up to 3-4 days work. Applying the various Dinitrol onto the respective parts on the car, into the sills, doors etc is actually pretty straightforward, providing you have the right tools and know what you are doing.

Its expensive, think Euro 1200-1400, but I have found it ver effective. Rust, cutting out bits, welding new bits in, re-spray could easily cost a whole lot more.

Of course, here in Europe, labour rates are very different from those in India.

Jeroen

[prithm]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Applying the various Dinitrol onto the respective parts on the car, into the sills, doors etc is actually pretty straightforward, providing you have the right tools and know what you are doing.

Infact the Tufkote lineup has everything that we need for this, unfortunately not all garages have the facility to apply them as they should be.

Example: The cavity protectors need the thin tube attached with air can. And this simply is not heard of by FNG's. They shrug to do this job and pass off by saying cars come treated from factory line.

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

They spray some sort of lacquer over the engine bay. If that's the same product, I'd say avoid it. Utter waste of money and the worst thing about that due to heat, it cracks(in 6 months) and starts coming off in patches, rendering your engine bay even more ugly. Won't comment on the heat dissipation aspect but it surely would have an effect to some extent.
Luckily, a fellow Zen owner overheard me and strictly warned me against the product after the SA had gone. He had that treatment on his engine bay, and it was looking horrendous to say the least.

This is how the Engine coating looks when new:


And this is how it looks after some years. Saw this Esteem recently parked in a True Value outlet


In fact it starts cracking and flaking in less than a year and starts looking bad. So my advice is to strictly avoid these things.

[scorpion_blore]

I'm planning to get underbody coating and teflon coating for the new Amaze 2018. Any idea on the current price?

Also would it make sense to go for underbody coating now? Wouldn't the manufacturer have applied at least one layer of anti-rust cost?

Would it be more beneficial to go for Teflon coat or PPF?

[prithm]

Originally Posted by scorpion_blore

I'm planning to get underbody coating and teflon coating for the new Amaze 2018. Any idea on the current price?

Also would it make sense to go for underbody coating now? Wouldn't the manufacturer have applied at least one layer of anti-rust cost?

Would it be more beneficial to go for Teflon coat or PPF?

Not gonna say anything about "Teflon" coating by dealers, since its your personal choice and your sales executive's monthly target.

But for the underbody coating, one coat is advised. I am not sure if manufacturers give underbody treatment for new cars. If you are planning to keep your car in coastal region, or rarely do underbody pressure wash, then this coating will help you maintain road facing surface.

It has been about 2+ years for my car and underbody has seen its fair share of dust, grime and scratches from speed breakers. This coating has helped me with minimizing the damage to underbody and I exactly know where the body has taken a hit. The bolts and nuts too are protected and no rusting yet (touch wood).

Check if those guys offer 3M (popular with all dealers). I stretched my budget and got Tufkote Sound Deadening and Anti Corrosion done.

[scorpian]

Originally Posted by scorpion_blore

I'm planning to get underbody coating and teflon coating for the new Amaze 2018. Any idea on the current price?
Also would it make sense to go for underbody coating now? Wouldn't the manufacturer have applied at least one layer of anti-rust cost?
Would it be more beneficial to go for Teflon coat or PPF?

Would definitely recommend you to have a undercoat done from a reputed place like 3m etc. It definitely helps and would provide a extra layer of protection.
I stay in goa and when i acquired a pre-worshiped sx4 my first thing on to do list was to get the bottom washed really well, all cladding,fender liners were removed and got a full undercoat done.Undercoating is best done when the car is new and do it before the monsoons.

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by scorpion_blore

I'm planning to get underbody coating and teflon coating for the new Amaze 2018. Any idea on the current price?

Also would it make sense to go for underbody coating now? Wouldn't the manufacturer have applied at least one layer of anti-rust cost?

Would it be more beneficial to go for Teflon coat or PPF?

Skip Teflon. A good coat of reputed wax is anyday better. Reason being, anything and everything is being done in the name of teflon, except the teflon itself. I have never seen proper teflon being done(using the correct procedures etc).

Anti rust is recommended, but I have started to hate 3M. Reason being: there are three types of 3M anti rusts: 3M undershield @ 300 per litre, 3M body schutz @ 700 per litre and 3M bodyschutz Gold/Plus@ 900 per litre.

Most car dealerships use the 300/L one, but charge you anywhere between 2000-3000 rupees for the job. This is as good as a black paint and offers zero protection.

Even if the dealership uses Body schutz, I'd skip them. Better to get this done at a 3M franchise/Car care store. 3M car care uses Body Schutz.

If you ask me my favourite, Brands like Metachem or Liqui Moly's antirust are much much better. They form a rubber like thick coating and can even endure minor scrapes. Much better than 3M anyday. Try to source them and any FNG can help you out. They are superb VFM and are awesome quality wise too.

Regarding your query about teflon vs PPF, PPF is anyday better. But will turn out to be expensive too. You may also want to check about Ceramic coats.

Regards,
Shashi

[sgiitk]

I am glad to learn that Dinitrol is alive and well. All these chaps drill holes into the sills and also coat the inside. Basically and potential rust trap is catered for. At one time it was the norm to get your new car treated, but as the basic treatments have improved this has be largely abandoned. Today I suggest these things only for cars 'living' in a corrosive environment.

One thing to be avoided is the so called anti rust coating offered with the car at the time of purchase. That is a con. If you want it then go to a third party specialist.

[tstlnt]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

I All these chaps drill holes into the sills and also coat the inside. Basically and potential rust trap is catered for. At one time it was the norm to get your new car treated, but as the basic treatments have improved this has be largely abandoned. Today I suggest these things only for cars 'living' in a corrosive environment.

I had the swift, first generation, 2008. Had it till 2017. Never wanted a undercarriage coating. Till the time I sold, I didn't have any corrosion. Regular cleaning, very essentially after the monsoon, helps a lot to prevent rusting. I make it a point to go beneath my car, using the service ramp, to see the under chassis on my own. I continue this with my Ciaz too.

As with technological advancement, metallurgy and surface treatments have greatly been improved by the manufactures, to take care of the most common threats, which i can confidently vouch for Maruti, based on my own experience.

Unless someone lives in a corrosive environment, like near to sea kind of locale, additional things are not needed, as precisely pointed out by sgiitk

[Santoshmk]

I'm planning to get undercoating done for my yet to be delivered Honda Jazz.. the dealer is quoting 4.5K INR only for under body coating. I am thinking to get it done in 3M car care soon after taking delivery.. What's the difference between body schutz and body schutz gold/plus.. should we go for higher version since underbody coating is a one-time thing or is body schutz good enough for Indian conditions?

[psinide]

Originally Posted by Santoshmk

I'm planning to get undercoating done for my yet to be delivered Honda Jazz.. the dealer is quoting 4.5K INR only for under body coating. I am thinking to get it done in 3M car care soon after taking delivery.. What's the difference between body schutz and body schutz gold/plus.. should we go for higher version since underbody coating is a one-time thing or is body schutz good enough for Indian conditions?

I'm also going for the 3M Body Schutz with gold gun (5 years warranty with noise isolation capabilities) for my yet to be delivered XUV. My rationale was that this is only 1.5 - 2k more than what has been quoted by other 3rd parties and has a 5 year warranty as opposed to the 2 yr warranty. I am also curious about the noise isolation claimed by this coating which will be particularly interesting for the XUV.

[prithm]

Originally Posted by psinide

I'm also going for the 3M Body Schutz with gold gun (5 years warranty with noise isolation capabilities) for my yet to be delivered XUV. My rationale was that this is only 1.5 - 2k more than what has been quoted by other 3rd parties and has a 5 year warranty as opposed to the 2 yr warranty. I am also curious about the noise isolation claimed by this coating which will be particularly interesting for the XUV.

Sound Deadening and Anti rust are two distinct layers. Sound Deadening is actually thicker and more plastic feel to touch.

I did one round of Anti Rust and then covered it with Sound Deadening. This last layer is what helped me scrape through all those undercarriage scratches from rocks and vehicle breakers (read speed breakers).

And what is that premium cost about ? Is that quoted by dealer ?

[psinide]

Originally Posted by prithm

And what is that premium cost about ? Is that quoted by dealer ?

The premium is the difference between the Body Schutz underbody coat using the 'gold gun' by 3M and a 'non-branded' underbody coat at a decent car garage near my house.

3M claims that using the 'Gold gun' with Body Schutz will impart from noise isolation capabilities as well, I will be visiting their showroom soon to understand the difference and other details.