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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller impressed by your further qualifications as described by you in another thread, and which I take the liberty of quoting here...
I have never been inside a Toyota Land Cruiser, forget about even the thought of owning or (God forbid) racing one... I am not wealthy enough to be able to afford racing or rallying cars on or off road and incur repair bills that run into tens of thousands of rupees for a few hours of fun & relaxation (sleeping is cheaper, and more relaxing); call it stinginess if you will, but I hate to go to a mechanic at odd hours of the day and pay them a lot of money, so I try to find ways of not calling...get the maximum number of km out of my tyres, engine, clutch, brakes, in fact, the whole car[/url].
And here you are, Sir, giving me an inferiority complex by brandishing your qualifications, and asking me to spend 30,000 INR and more (which I can ill-afford) to replace all the tyres of my till-now-well-behaved vehicle |
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Originally Posted by desertfox SS DoC everyone has his own opinion and is entitled to his viewpoint and what he wishes to do.
In my case with about 20 years of off roading experience and close association with three tyre manufactureres TOYO, DUNLOP and Bridgestone this is how I have been schooled and brought up.
They have periodically sais tyres need to me changed at 40,000 K and are highly unsafe after 50,000 K or 5 years. |
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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller That one MUST replace all 4 radials as a set is flawed advice, and forum members need also to be aware of the same.
That Ceat makes bad tyres is also biased advice, and forum members ....is a matter of interest to many readers, and they should be allowed to draw their own conclusions from such information. |
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Originally Posted by ACM Bridgestone Duellers do indeed last long
Michelins LTX AT that I had....Yoko Geolanders seem to have great ability while...Goodyear Wranglers 17" were poor tyres on the Aria while the Bridgestone Duellers did fared much better. |
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Originally Posted by desertfox What happens in many cases is that people ignore what is normally not visible....This ignorance often proves to be costly...But everyone is free to do as he pleases.
Even law enforcement cannot prevail totally.
What does the law say ? Cross ply and radial cannot be on the same axis, minimum 2 mm of tread depth should remain, tyre should not be more than 5 years old. |
I would like to add my thoughts and experiences here. Please do note, I am open to a healthy discussion here. Let me know if I am wrong or ignorant.
A) Thoughts
I think Mr. Desert fox sir's advice are related to ideal conditions. Yes, tyres are best replaced in 5 years, or <40,000 kms, or when tread depth is at 2mm, or when there are bulges etc. This is the ideal way to go about.
Mr. SS traveller sir's thinking and advice are based more on real world usage and conditions.
Tyre companies at the end of the day are doing business. They have to sell more tyres, for not only making money, but also doing further R&D. Hence, its in their best interests to educate people, or push governments around the world to make laws mandatory for tyre replacements during such and such situations, usually defined by the companies themselves (either directly or behind consortium's).
Please do note that I have no proof for the same. I hail from a family of small enterprising businessmen. I have seen both outstanding businessmen (the likes who are highly respected in their community) and bad ones (the likes who resort to malpractices). But, I have a good general idea of how corporates work. There are good ones and there are bad ones.
B) Experiences
I am in-charge of maintaining 2 scorpio's used quite extensively. They came factory equipped with goodyear tyres which were marketed with claimed life of 100,000 kms (was in their brochure).
I am given an annual budget for the same, which includes regular services, accident repair, tyre replacement etc. sort of for a comprehensive maintenance.
Each car completes 40,000kms in a year or max 1 year and 2 months. If i were to follow the ideal ways of tyre replacement, I would not able to service my car in any other aspect. Hence, I look for rough and tough tyres.
Now coming to my experiences with different tyre makes:
1. Goodyears (I forget the model): claimed life of 100,000kms. Were prone to punctures a lot in both the vehicles. The tyre was bald by 80,000 kms. Drivers were very angry with the time spent on road repairing punctures. I changed them in both cars at the end of 100,000 kms. Had developed innumerable bulges.
2. Bridgestone duellers: These were my only other option at that time. MRF had yet to release the wanderer series, and Apollo had not yet launched tyres in this specification. These tyres were a god send. Puncture rate dropped drastically. The tread depth was outstanding. Of the two sets, one lasted 1.5lac kms and the other is still going strong at 1.8lac kms. The tread depth is at 5mm as of now. I had to replace one set because one of the drivers rode for 1 km on 2 flat tyres! No bulges as well.
3. MRF wanderers: This set just went on the car 6 months back. Tread wear rate is faster than duellers, but will last 80-90k kms as per me. Good tyres, no bulges at all. Little softer than duellers.
All WA/WB done at 10k kms at same shop.
I can now see why the taxi drivers praise this tyre. Sure, the company will always maintain their stand that the tyres should be replaced earlier, YET while designing the tyre they will make sure that it should hold.
Let me tell you a real life story. My cousin works in Mahindra in the design department. He told me that when they were designing their competitor to tata ace, the management had instructed them to design the vehicle to sit only 3 people, for them to show to RTO, but add some structural modifications so that the customers could add extra seats. They knew that customers would add and use the extra space.
I'll be trying out the ceat czar's next when I'll be replacing the duellers in few months. Will keep you all updated.