[Ram]

Originally Posted by wasif

That is not the MB. The MB is the same as the Ford GPW current till 1944

The Willys in the picture is the one from just after the war and is the CJ 3.

Originally Posted by Stanher

Thanks for the info, wasif. I do often get confused with the CJ models. So was the CJ-4 the high bonnet series? Or did that start with CJ-5?

This is a Willys CJ-3A. It is a Civilian Jeep, not a military one, despite the olive drab glossy paint.

The CJ stands for Civilian Jeep. The term came from Willys-Overland.
They made

• the Willys CJ-2A from 1945 to 1949,
• the CJ-3A from 1948 to 1954, and
• the CJ-3B from 1953-1964.

There was never a Willys CJ-3. Only CJ-3As and CJ-3Bs.

The Second world-war Military Willys MB
and Civilian CJ-2A and CJ-3A had a flathead sidevalve Go-Devil L4/134 engine.

The Willys CJ-3B was given a taller bonnet for only one reason -- to accommodate the new part-sidevalve/part-OHV Hurricane F4/134 engine.

There are many Willys low-bonnets, in the USA, which have been repowered by Chevrolet and Ford V-8 engines, without affecting the shape nor height of the bonnet.

Here is a 1949 Willys CJ-3A with a Chevrolet 5,817 cc V8.
The front grille with separate headlights is from a Willys MB (military model)

What was Mahindra's CJ-3B then?
Mahindra's CJ-3B was the unmodified 1953-1964 Willys CJ-3B with its legendary 80-inch wheelbase.

What about a CJ-4?
There was never a USA made Willys CJ-4 nor 4A nor 4B. In 1967, Mahindra stretched the CJ-3Bs wheelbase to 101 inches to produce their CJ-4A.

In 1975 an International Harvester MD-2350 diesel transformed the CJ-4A into the Mahindra CJ-500D.

Then the Willys CJ-5
Willys introduced their CJ-5 in 1955.

The design was introduced as a military model in 1953 for USA's war with Korea. That was called the 1953 Willys MD-M38A1.

The civilian CJ-5 that came two years later, only differed in that it had 12V electrics instead of the military 24V. It also had fixed rather than hinged headlamps.

This Willys CJ-5 model was made until 1971. Until 1969, All Willys Jeeps had a choice of 2 engines:

1. The 72 bhp 2.5 litre "Hurricane" F-head 4-cylinder and
2. the 155 bhp 3.7 litre Buick "Dauntless" V-6 which was available as an option from 1965 to 1969.

After that all US-made Jeeps have had straight-six high torque engines. Example: Jeep's strong 4-litre 185 bhp I-6.

Later Jeep Wranglers had a choice of two engines:

1. A 2,429 cc 4-Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve rock-climbing engine producing 147bhp @ 5200 rpm & 224 N-m @ 4000 rpm
2. A 3,966 cc 6-Cylinder inline PowerTech Engine producing 190bhp @ 4600 rpm & 219 N-m @ 3200 rpm, with nearly 255 N-m torque available at idling rpm, to help with compression braking when descending steep slopes.

Ram

Haven't talked here about the stretched bonnet CJ-5s, the long wheelbase CJ-6s, two-wheel-drive DJ-5s and DJ-6s, the much later CJ-7s and CJ-8 Scramblers. Do remember writing about them in some posts 2 or 3 years back.

[Stanher]

Many thanks for the info., Ram! I knew we could always count on you when it came to Jeeps!
That clarified a lot of things for me.

[Ram]

Originally Posted by Stanher

Many thanks for the info., Ram! I knew we could always count on you when it came to Jeeps!
That clarified a lot of things for me.

You're very welcome, Stanher !
Always ready to gladly share what I have learned, if you find it interesting or worthwhile.

[Stanher]

Originally Posted by Ram

You're very welcome, Stanher !
Always ready to gladly share what I have learned, if you find it interesting or worthwhile.

Incidentally, I saw yet another CJ-3A (exactly like the one in my last pic.) today. But this was an RHD. Converted I presume? No pics. though I'm afraid!

[14000rpm]

Originally Posted by Ram

This is a Willys CJ-3A. It is a Civilian Jeep, not a military one, despite the olive drab glossy paint.

Ram

Haven't talked here about the stretched bonnet CJ-5s, the long wheelbase CJ-6s, two-wheel-drive DJ-5s and DJ-6s, the much later CJ-7s and CJ-8 Scramblers. Do remember writing about them in some posts 2 or 3 years back.

awesome bit of info. do post links to the older threads where you wrote about the other CJ's.

[chanu]

Yes! Yes! Stanher I have seen that beauty today, LHD and I guess its also dieselised (with the noise I could make out).

What you say makes absolute sense Stanher. A jeep which has period looks yet can be used for every day. Aha! Nothing like it.

[manjunath dukle]

hello all '
i,am searching for a kaiser jeep pref. a short chaisses one please help
thanks
manjunath (Goa)

[wasif]

Originally Posted by wasif

Indeed the extinguisher was a OE fitting. That Jeep APR 33 needs to be photographed thoroughly and posted for others to understand the significance.

I say again its practically impossible today to do a 100 point restoration on a Ford MB.

This the other Bangalore Jeep and one more in Hyd ( used to be APY something with Rasul of Moghul Darbar) are worth a fortune today.

APR 33 even had a field telephone with it at one time.

Guys.

I finally had my picture collection removed form storage and sent over to me here in the UAE.

Was going thru them last night and came across these pictures of APR 33 showing the under bonnet Fire Extinguisher.

Please note the pictures have been scanned and the scanner has reversed the image.

[wasif]

Posting better quality snaps of APR 33 clearly showing the under bonnet fire extinguisher among other interesting items to be found on this Jeep. Perhaps the most original or most well restored Jeep I have ever seen in India.

Notice teh steering column mounted map reading torch, also the ignition swith instead of the key we seen on other Jeeps.

This Jeep also has a Capstan winch mounted in front behind the front bumper

[Hesbee]

It's a beauti.. how much do these jeeps cost?? & where is a good place to search for them?

CheerS,

[egangsta]

Wasif, its the same winch on this jeep is it ??.

[wasif]

Yes, the winch on both these Jeeps looks the same. They were quiet rare to find in those days.

Not sure where you can find a good, original Jeep nowadays in India but if I was going to look for one I would look in Bhopal first then maybe some hillstations in the north.

[aditya101]

A friend of mine in Chandigarh is looking for a Willys - where to find one in these parts?

[agspins]

Bhopal is definately is the place to search for Jeep.But these days they are rarities as most of them have been dieselised.

[calrock]

here is a 1965 JEEP...