Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Vintage Cars & Classics in India


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18th November 2009, 22:30   #361
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 142 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wasif View Post
That is not the MB. The MB is the same as the Ford GPW current till 1944

The Willys in the picture is the one from just after the war and is the CJ 3.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanher View Post
Thanks for the info, wasif. I do often get confused with the CJ models. So was the CJ-4 the high bonnet series? Or did that start with CJ-5?


This is a Willys CJ-3A. It is a Civilian Jeep, not a military one, despite the olive drab glossy paint.

The CJ stands for Civilian Jeep. The term came from Willys-Overland.
They made
  • the Willys CJ-2A from 1945 to 1949,
  • the CJ-3A from 1948 to 1954, and
  • the CJ-3B from 1953-1964.
There was never a Willys CJ-3. Only CJ-3As and CJ-3Bs.

The Second world-war Military Willys MB
and Civilian CJ-2A and CJ-3A had a flathead sidevalve Go-Devil L4/134 engine.

The Willys CJ-3B was given a taller bonnet for only one reason -- to accommodate the new part-sidevalve/part-OHV Hurricane F4/134 engine.

There are many Willys low-bonnets, in the USA, which have been repowered by Chevrolet and Ford V-8 engines, without affecting the shape nor height of the bonnet.

Here is a 1949 Willys CJ-3A with a Chevrolet 5,817 cc V8.
The front grille with separate headlights is from a Willys MB (military model)










What was Mahindra's CJ-3B then?
Mahindra's CJ-3B was the unmodified 1953-1964 Willys CJ-3B with its legendary 80-inch wheelbase.

What about a CJ-4?
There was never a USA made Willys CJ-4 nor 4A nor 4B. In 1967, Mahindra stretched the CJ-3Bs wheelbase to 101 inches to produce their CJ-4A.

In 1975 an International Harvester MD-2350 diesel transformed the CJ-4A into the Mahindra CJ-500D.

Then the Willys CJ-5
Willys introduced their CJ-5 in 1955.

The design was introduced as a military model in 1953 for USA's war with Korea. That was called the 1953 Willys MD-M38A1.

The civilian CJ-5 that came two years later, only differed in that it had 12V electrics instead of the military 24V. It also had fixed rather than hinged headlamps.

This Willys CJ-5 model was made until 1971. Until 1969, All Willys Jeeps had a choice of 2 engines:
  1. The 72 bhp 2.5 litre "Hurricane" F-head 4-cylinder and
  2. the 155 bhp 3.7 litre Buick "Dauntless" V-6 which was available as an option from 1965 to 1969.
After that all US-made Jeeps have had straight-six high torque engines. Example: Jeep's strong 4-litre 185 bhp I-6.

Later Jeep Wranglers had a choice of two engines:
  1. A 2,429 cc 4-Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve rock-climbing engine producing 147bhp @ 5200 rpm & 224 N-m @ 4000 rpm
  2. A 3,966 cc 6-Cylinder inline PowerTech Engine producing 190bhp @ 4600 rpm & 219 N-m @ 3200 rpm, with nearly 255 N-m torque available at idling rpm, to help with compression braking when descending steep slopes.
Ram

Haven't talked here about the stretched bonnet CJ-5s, the long wheelbase CJ-6s, two-wheel-drive DJ-5s and DJ-6s, the much later CJ-7s and CJ-8 Scramblers. Do remember writing about them in some posts 2 or 3 years back.
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2009, 10:16   #362
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Stanher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hyderabad, AP
Posts: 6,319
Thanked: 1,529 Times
Default

Many thanks for the info., Ram! I knew we could always count on you when it came to Jeeps!
That clarified a lot of things for me.
Stanher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2009, 13:48   #363
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,164
Thanked: 142 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanher View Post
Many thanks for the info., Ram! I knew we could always count on you when it came to Jeeps!
That clarified a lot of things for me.
You're very welcome, Stanher !
Always ready to gladly share what I have learned, if you find it interesting or worthwhile.
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2009, 16:28   #364
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Stanher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hyderabad, AP
Posts: 6,319
Thanked: 1,529 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post
You're very welcome, Stanher !
Always ready to gladly share what I have learned, if you find it interesting or worthwhile.
Incidentally, I saw yet another CJ-3A (exactly like the one in my last pic.) today. But this was an RHD. Converted I presume? No pics. though I'm afraid!
Stanher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2009, 16:50   #365
Senior - BHPian
 
14000rpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Rochester, MI
Posts: 1,852
Thanked: 555 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post



This is a Willys CJ-3A. It is a Civilian Jeep, not a military one, despite the olive drab glossy paint.

Ram

Haven't talked here about the stretched bonnet CJ-5s, the long wheelbase CJ-6s, two-wheel-drive DJ-5s and DJ-6s, the much later CJ-7s and CJ-8 Scramblers. Do remember writing about them in some posts 2 or 3 years back.

awesome bit of info. do post links to the older threads where you wrote about the other CJ's.
14000rpm is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 20th November 2009, 00:42   #366
Senior - BHPian
 
chanu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: APX to AP 29
Posts: 1,481
Thanked: 140 Times
Default

Yes! Yes! Stanher I have seen that beauty today, LHD and I guess its also dieselised (with the noise I could make out).

What you say makes absolute sense Stanher. A jeep which has period looks yet can be used for every day. Aha! Nothing like it.
chanu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th December 2009, 13:18   #367
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: goa
Posts: 4
Thanked: 6 Times
Default

hello all '
i,am searching for a kaiser jeep pref. a short chaisses one please help
thanks
manjunath (Goa)
manjunath dukle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th December 2009, 10:40   #368
Senior - BHPian
 
wasif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi (for now)
Posts: 2,936
Thanked: 365 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wasif View Post
Indeed the extinguisher was a OE fitting. That Jeep APR 33 needs to be photographed thoroughly and posted for others to understand the significance.

I say again its practically impossible today to do a 100 point restoration on a Ford MB.

This the other Bangalore Jeep and one more in Hyd ( used to be APY something with Rasul of Moghul Darbar) are worth a fortune today.

APR 33 even had a field telephone with it at one time.
Guys.

I finally had my picture collection removed form storage and sent over to me here in the UAE.

Was going thru them last night and came across these pictures of APR 33 showing the under bonnet Fire Extinguisher.

Please note the pictures have been scanned and the scanner has reversed the image.
Attached Thumbnails
Jeep Willys-apr-33-engine.jpg  

Jeep Willys-apr-33-engine-fe.jpg  

wasif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd January 2010, 20:00   #369
Senior - BHPian
 
wasif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi (for now)
Posts: 2,936
Thanked: 365 Times
Default

Posting better quality snaps of APR 33 clearly showing the under bonnet fire extinguisher among other interesting items to be found on this Jeep. Perhaps the most original or most well restored Jeep I have ever seen in India.

Notice teh steering column mounted map reading torch, also the ignition swith instead of the key we seen on other Jeeps.

This Jeep also has a Capstan winch mounted in front behind the front bumper
Attached Thumbnails
Jeep Willys-apr-33-front.jpg  

Jeep Willys-apr-33-bonnet-fe.jpg  

Jeep Willys-apr-33-engine-bay.jpg  

Jeep Willys-apr-33-interior.jpg  

wasif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2010, 03:48   #370
Newbie
 
Hesbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chandigarh, IND
Posts: 24
Thanked: 3 Times
Default

It's a beauti.. how much do these jeeps cost?? & where is a good place to search for them?

CheerS,
Hesbee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2010, 09:58   #371
BHPian
 
egangsta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: thane
Posts: 365
Thanked: 5 Times
Default

Wasif, its the same winch on this jeep is it ??.
Attached Thumbnails
Jeep Willys-dscn0255.jpg  

egangsta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2010, 10:14   #372
Senior - BHPian
 
wasif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi (for now)
Posts: 2,936
Thanked: 365 Times
Default

Yes, the winch on both these Jeeps looks the same. They were quiet rare to find in those days.

Not sure where you can find a good, original Jeep nowadays in India but if I was going to look for one I would look in Bhopal first then maybe some hillstations in the north.
wasif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2010, 11:27   #373
BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delhi
Posts: 274
Thanked: 97 Times
Default

A friend of mine in Chandigarh is looking for a Willys - where to find one in these parts?
aditya101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2010, 00:02   #374
Senior - BHPian
 
agspins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: MH-31
Posts: 1,569
Thanked: 301 Times
Default

Bhopal is definately is the place to search for Jeep.But these days they are rarities as most of them have been dieselised.
agspins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th January 2010, 23:04   #375
BHPian
 
calrock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: mangalore
Posts: 79
Thanked: 51 Times
Default

here is a 1965 JEEP...
Attached Thumbnails
Jeep Willys-image098.jpg  

Jeep Willys-image099.jpg  

Jeep Willys-image100.jpg  

calrock is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Willys Jeep Wheels dinya Tyre & Alloy wheel Section 6 11th February 2010 14:18
2009 Jeep J8 Multipurpose 4WD.....return of the WILLYS JEEP!!! amit V8 The International Automotive Scene 14 27th July 2009 01:12
gypsy or willys or kaiser jeep or conti or 207(budjet 1lakh ) D.V.R SUVs, MUVs & 4x4s 17 15th September 2007 04:13
Willys Jeep Engine & Gearbox Swap dinya Modifications & Accessories 5 17th November 2005 10:06


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 11:17.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks