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Originally Posted by Timothy Sorry, but I don't quite follow your logic in your assessment that VW has messed it up by getting the AllSpace. If you go through the article it says that 55% of all models of Tiguan sold worldwide are the XL version which is longer by 110 mm. With India being such a price sensitive & a feature hungry market, the bulk of the 5 seat SUVs sold are in the 9-16 lac (ex.showroom) bracket.
In our market, a 7 seat SUV is what is desirable by people who are willing to shell out 30+L (Ex. showroom). That is why even Honda CRV increased their diesel offering to 7 seats & even MG Hector & Hyundai Creta are trying to come up with 7 seat models. |
Allow me to explain. The international markets are different than India. For one they majorly drive petrols. Secondly, the crossover market is mature there for such offerings.
India is not like that. Let's take your example of CR-V. Honda thought by giving it a 7 seater option the CR-V would sell vs the Fortuner and Endeavour. Reality was it didn't even tickle those 2. They ended up having to get rid of the stock pile at 5.5L discount.
The biggest issue was it was a 7 seater in name and rear seat was unusable. Second issue was performance from diesel and 3rd was price which was same as Fortuner.
The Tiguan Allspace is trying to now compete against these 2 in same price segment. And it has 2 out of the 3 faults of the CR-V, price and 3rd row being useless.
The CR-V had a petrol 5 seater variant which was way better than the pointless 7 seater. Creamy smooth petrol, awesome rear comfort since they used larger more comfortable seats that were fixed and pushed further back than the diesel. It was also 4 lakhs lesser than the Diesel. Same as the regular Tiguan diesel before. Today with BS6 you get only this 5 seater petrol CR-V at 28L exshowroom.
Another example for very good car that failed to challenge the Endeavour and Fortuner is the Hyundai Santa Fe. It was brilliant in performance, features but it never challenged the Toyota and Ford.
Now coming to the Allspace for India and why I think it's not the right choice:
1. It has a petrol 2.0L TSI engine which won't match the mileage of the older diesel. It is performance oriented but pointless cause a 7 seater SUV buyer isn't looking for 0-100Kmph. He wants practicality. So the sensible buyer will not want a petrol SUV giving 6-7Kmpl.
2. It is big. Nowhere near as big as the Fortuner and Endeavour but large enough to be uncomfortable in tight city roads. I have the Kodiaq which is the same size and it's not easy sometimes. The older one was perfect size to drive enthusiastically.
3. It doesn't look as good as the smaller one. IT now looks more station wagon than SUV.
4. The 3rd row is useless. It is for small kids 0.5 x 2 seats. The Fortuner and Endeavour 3rd row are like lounges in comparison. To have anyone sitting in 3rd row at all, you need to slide the 2nd row forwards reducing the legroom for middle occupants a lot.
5. The Kodiaq is coming soon with same price and engine. IT has more features and is doing decently. Why compete with sister brand?
Why the 5 seater smaller one is more suited for India:
1. A 2L TSI in the smaller body will appeal to enthusiasts and even pull away customers from Octavia and BMW/Audi who want performance.
2. Size wise it is perfect for family and enthusiasts.
3. Better dynamics than the heavier and larger 7 seater variant.
4. Perfect upgrade for Jetta/Octavia customers to keep them in the same stable.
5. Will be priced lower than the Kodiaq and can complement it rather than compete.
6. Does not have any major competition apart from Jeep compass and CR-V.
In summary, the 7 seater Tiguan is a huge crossover with unusable 3rd row, poor mileage due to the petrol engine and no appeal to enthusiasts or to people looking for a full sized SUV. Neither here nor there.
My views would have changed if it had the diesel with 190Ps tune. Cause then you can argue that Endy and Fortuner are not car like and as premium feeling. So the Tiguan Allspace is a good diesel alternative. But nobody is going to look at a petrol SUV over the Endeavour and Fortuner.
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But anyway Skoda-VW is bringing out the Karoq which looks like a really smart and an upmarket premium 5 seat SUV with all the bells & whistles and should be around 23L (Ex-showroom ) price band, which should allow it to carve a niche for itself. If I was currently in the market for an SUV, this is the one I would go for blind-foldedly. Somehow cars from German automakers have their own unique styling and a solid build and if I may add an aura around them which sets them apart from the rest of the clutter in our market.
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The Karoq is really small. It's smaller than the Creta and Seltos and it feels premium but it's too small to come close to the Tiguan 5 seater.
Moreover 23L for a 1.5L engine with no AWD and a host of stuff missing. Your octavia has canton audio, electric seats for passenger, rear independent suspension, more legroom at the back and better performance.
The Karoq at 23L will be a hard sell with all the above features missing.
An Octavia or Jetta owner cannot look at a Karoq as a replacement.