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Quote from Autocar review on Compass diesel MT. Unfortunately, the MultiJet engine is not the last word in refinement. There’s a distinct clatter from the engine, you can hear a ‘swoosh’ from the turbo when accelerating and the engine booms and strains the when you rev it hard. Quiet as a Hyundai 2.0 diesel this engine is not. Gearshifts on the six-speed gearbox are slick and you’ll love the feel of the metallic gear knob. What does make the Compass a bit troublesome to drive in slow-moving traffic is the clutch. It’s well-weighted but also snappy, so you have to modulate it with great care. In fact, the clutch action made launching the diesel Compass a tricky affair during our performance tests. We managed a 0-100kph time of 11.84sec but a more progressive clutch is sure to have resulted in a better time. Quote from Autocar on the Scorpio MT. |Fire the Scorpio’s 140hp diesel and it’s the refinement that stands out. The S11’s engine sounds more like the XUV500 now and it is more refined in the cabin than before. The responsiveness of the engine has also improved, despite a bigger turbo. There’s almost no wait before the power kicks in and you get a good punch from 1,500rpm, all the way up to 4,500rpm; and the dash from 0-100kph takes just 10.8sec – massively fast for an SUV this size. It’s even faster than the new Swift! Prasanna, you've got to take this one out for a test drive, just for kicks. | |
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I have also driven the XUV 500, and was totally impressed by the way the car performed. While that I already knew, the 2.2 mhawk is still a better performer than the 2.0 MJD is definitely surprising to me. Or is it just the "tangible" effects of the poor refinement taking a toll on how the 2.0 engine actually "performs" ? On the other hand, the rumoured 190 bhp output on the new XUV500 has to be segment best, performance based! Mahindra makes faster SUVs in comparison to Tata. Their 2.2 battle always had the Scorpio/XUV 500 beating the safari/Hexa. What got me surprised was that Mahindra still gets ahead inspite of Tata plonking the Fiat's 2.0 diesel. As for as taking the new Safari for test drive, I am pretty much excited as we have a Harrier XZ dark edition MT booked already (in place of my brother's totalled Rapid) and another brother is trading his 2018 Vento for a new Safari. ![]() ![]() Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 15th February 2021 at 08:04. | ||
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PS: I haven't TDed the Safari (will, very soon) nor have I even seen it in person, my opinions here are extrapolations based on what I've already experienced in my 3 months old Harrier BS6; assuming the flagship would've atleast marginally improved in most of the aspects over it & not regressed instead. Quote:
All this talks of various aspects in isolation makes one loose the sense of relevance of the bigger picture, as a whole. Like, objectively speaking, who would like to bet on the high speed handling of a Scorpio or the XUV (vs the new Safari)? Anyone? Quote:
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Random observation: (If right) Its very resistant to misalignment under casual impacts of daily life (parking, commuting etc) as compared to the family's Celerio. Quote:
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If you're a basshead like me, you can tweak the very functional equalizer presets on the ICE and get window shattering, cloud thumping bass from the system. The equalizers. Please. True for my effeminate hands I have to say. Half the time, I fail to depress the hornpad from some tangents but my brother makes it scream under his rugged palms everytime he taps. See for yourself, especially womenfolk. I'd further like to add that the hornpad is the ugliest piece of plastic alongwith the pathetic rubberpads under the handbrake (Harrier) in an otherwise very classy cabin. Quote:
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The setup looks good on paper and is okay for driving at moderate speeds (80 - 85kph) but an upgrade wouldn't hurt for high speed cruising (100 - 120 kph). A 1.5 - 1.6K upgrade to Philips/Osram halogens would be the quickest & most convenient without any additional ramifications (road legal, warranty) for a decent 15-20% upgrade in efficiency. For experts, they know better. Heard many times online. My personal experience has been very satisfactory (tochwood) & exactly felt like how it should be. I somehow feel the aftersales experience is better in Tier 2 & Tier 3 cities somehow even though contradictly there's just one dealership for 3-5 districts. | |||||||||
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| ![]() Out of curiosity. I have observed concerns about Harrier \ New Safari steering at high speeds, its too sensitive etc. Is this because the drivers have moved to harrier \ New Safari`s hydraulic steering from an EPS of their previous car? |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() A brand new Safari leaking diesel all the way into a dealership's service centre. The culprit turned out to be an unlocked return line, obviously missed by Tata's QC team. |
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Generally, EPS are light & dead & you expect more weight when moving to a hydraulic unit. You definitely won't be disappointed at parking speeds ![]() On, the other side, however, for most of its intended cruising band (40 - 100 kph) you'll appreciate the feel & feedback provided by the hydraulic steering over a typical dead & lifeless EPS unit although for a hydraulic unit it is no Jeep Compass wheel either. Hope I somewhat explained myself ![]() | |
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Additionally - those coming from EPS small cars, won't generally find a hydraulic system more sensitive, since its the EPS calibrations that generally tend to be over-servo-ed and HPS that tend to feel heavier & slower in most comparisons in such an upgrade for most users. When I moved from using an HPS for a decade into an EPS - thats what I felt too. And I liked the faster calibration. It certainly seems the Harrier/Safari steering is calibrated with too much precision and might be a bit "too fast" in responding when cruising at high speeds for average drivers than other cars in use. Probably in initial phases the users get caught off guard when a relatively heavy and large car suddenly starts turning in a point-and-shoot hatchback like manner on steering inputs. Over a few weeks of use I believe most would find it just fine after their own calibration in muscles is done. For cars that I have read about over last decade - 99% tend to have a comment that they have a "dead and vague center and no feedback". 0.5% get it just right, remaining have scary, too fast action. ![]() Last edited by Reinhard : 15th February 2021 at 12:22. | |
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| ![]() A new ad seems to be in the works for the all new safari. This one seems to be a bit more in line with the old one ![]() |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Thanks to Adbhut Singh for sending this image in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts via this Team-BHP page! Tata Safari web ad quotes Team-BHP review: ![]() |
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| ![]() I don’t understand how people are going to take delivery of the Safari on 22nd February when the price is not out even 5 days before deliveries. How botched up this is from Tata? |
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| ![]() After the Monday Blues, here is the Tuesday Chaos. I think its the Reclaim Your Life week till the price reveal on February 22 |
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Infractions: 0/1 (7) | ![]() the problem is, "lifestyle ads" look comical if the product niggles are being highlighted in forums and celebrated by brand haters. Imagine how these 'reclaim you life' adventure drone shots of a car with dust plumes in its wake will look , to a person who just previously read about fuel tank hanging low after the bolts came off, because someone in TMIL factory QC dept, failed to do his job ? If the product is stellar, it will hardly need ads - in this age of social media and instant wildfire news spread, word of mouth (via social media) is the biggest ad. If there is something good, it is shared to 10 people ; if there is something bad, it is shared to 100 people - that's the human psyche Last edited by venkyhere : 16th February 2021 at 14:30. |
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