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Old 4th October 2021, 13:16   #1501
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Re: Mahindra XUV700 Review

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I have been waiting for a spacious SUV (not a Pseudo ones) under 30 lakhs , that offers good value for money with AWD/4X4 for the past 2-3 years. I have a Linea TJet that is well over 7 years and has served me well (it still runs like a dream BTW and will be my 2nd car for short and spirited driving needs). So, a Midnight Black AX7 DSL AT AWD XUV700 meets those needs.
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I hope we can find a way to do that. Maybe bombard Anand Mahindra's twitter handle with that request?

Interestingly there were 2 other prospective buyers with the same demand while I was at the showroom and the dealer was pushing them to book AX7 L without AWD, saying that AWD is not really needed and makes no difference to FWD . I was surprised and challenged the person to explain that in more detail. Ofcourse, he failed to do so. Instead, he asks the customer to book Thar for his 4x4 cravings. Anyway, for whatever reason Mahindra did this, i have not come across a single person who's not willing to pay extra for the Luxury option in the AWD variant. Doesn't that fact speak for itself?
Great to see another TJet owner considering the XUV700. I went to the Silk Board dealer twice, infact 8am on a Saturday morning just to show how interested me and my wife was in the XUV700, because with our experience with the TJet it has become evident that we need a Diesel AT for more extended overlanding sessions and the AWD only adds an edge to that during tricky situations even if we chose to ignore the added traction and grip during high speed corners.

Unfortunately the packing of the AWD variant at 27 Lacs was a big let down for us, missing basics like Telescopic steering and illuminated visor mirrors it just not acceptable at this price point.

What is more confusing is that at this price point the XUV700 sits very close to the Compass 4x4 AT which is a more accomplished offroader at 33 Lakhs. Considering possible year end discounts we simply could not convince ourselves to put down our money.

I have been bombarding Rajesh and Velusammy from Mahindra on Twitter, since then, of course I am not a big social influencer, but its just my way showing my dissatisfaction as a probable customer to them.
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Old 4th October 2021, 13:20   #1502
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Re: Mahindra XUV700 Review

Got this in my twitter feed. The source is Autocarindia.
Nice comparison of price points of different manufacturers and variants.
The ADAS from XUV is the major differentiator at this price point. I hope its bug free and well tested.

TATA has to introspect on its pricing strategy. Will be interesting to see how Hyundai and MG reacts to Mahindra pricing. If they bring in ADAS features within 1.5l the pricing almost matches XUV700 offering.

Whoever has mastered the semiconductor supply chain well is going to win.
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Re: Mahindra XUV700 Review

Dealers in Mumbai quoting insurance (including zero dep) in the range of INR 1.2 lakh for the AX7 Petrol AT! This is the dictionary definition of loot. Has any BHPian managed to get better quotes, anywhere across the country? There's no way I'm paying through my nose for insurance. Add to that, the essential accessories kit in the range of 25-35k which is supposed to be "mandatory" is a travesty.

I'll gladly stick to my Hyundai Creta booking than being extorted for such hefty sums by Mahindra dealers. Wonder if this has the tacit approval of Mahindra higher-ups?
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Re: Mahindra XUV700 Review

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Unfortunately the packing of the AWD variant at 27 Lacs was a big let down for us, missing basics like Telescopic steering and illuminated visor mirrors it just not acceptable at this price point.

What is more confusing is that at this price point the XUV700 sits very close to the Compass 4x4 AT which is a more accomplished offroader at 33 Lakhs. Considering possible year end discounts we simply could not convince ourselves to put down our money.

I have been bombarding Rajesh and Velusammy from Mahindra on Twitter, since then, of course I am not a big social influencer, but its just my way showing my dissatisfaction as a probable customer to them.
If there is enough demand, AWD may come to lower models like how AT came to W6 \W7 etc in the older vehicle. At launch usually whatever the OEM thinks is going to be the top seller will be encouraged to pick up volumes.

You may as well wait.

As far as XUV7OO Vs Compass is concerned, you are getting absolutely nothing worthwhile paying 5L more.
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Old 4th October 2021, 13:48   #1505
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He listened attentively, was actively speaking as well.

In all, an interesting morning and well spent, for me. Spent almost 150 minutes at the showroom, including sneaking out for a breakfast for ~30 minutes.

Became quite a long post. Thanks for reading, enjoyed writing this.
If you find the guy again please ask him what he means by adrenox "subscription" I see that no one has a clue about it. The fine print in the brochure says that it is free only for one or two years. What's going to happen after that what features will stop working?
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WOW... I never knew this so called "smart features" comes bundled with Car is now monetized !!! This is outright ugly and outrageous.

The M&M should rather pay one time royalty for every XUV they sell and not pass on their customers to some third party ADRENOX who will shut down your car console if you don't pay up after 2 years.
This fee is mainly for connected car features. For the connected car and other features (like Saavn etc) to work, the car will need a sim card (active internet connection) and someone will have to pay the usage fee for this. All manufacturers like Hyundai, Kia, Honda, MG do the same thing, free for 2-3 years and subscription fee like 500/year afterward.

If you don't pay, Only the connected car and features requiring an active internet connection will stop working. All other things like android auto/apple car play should continue to work without the subscription.

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Unfortunately the packing of the AWD variant at 27 Lacs was a big let down for us, missing basics like Telescopic steering and illuminated visor mirrors it just not acceptable at this price point.
Beware of paying close to Rs 30L for an Indian Brand at launch. The first batch customers are their 'lab rats' used to test their products on. We all know what happens to 'lab rats'.
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I had another Question to ask our Friends here:
Did anyone get a Acknowledgement or a Receipt or anything from the Dealer after paying the Booking amount of 21,000 or something?
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Bookings are not open yet. All one can do is add the car to the cart and wait for 7th Oct. When booking open on 7th Oct 10am, one can make online payment and book the car.

All the dealers i went to said , they are not authorized to take any booking payments. If any dealer takes a payment, they will also have to manually book the car on 7th oct, when bookings open. So if there are multiple people who have paid the dealer, then the dealer will have an entry made each one of those on 7th Oct. Hence no dealer will/can give you a acknowledgement receipt right now, since the booking is not confirmed yet and will only happen on 7th Oct.

I would suggest you add the car to the cart, and book it yourself on 7th Oct, by making an online payment of 21,000/-. The dealer you choose during booking will then follow up with you.

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Re: Mahindra XUV700 Review

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I hope we can find a way to do that. Maybe bombard Anand Mahindra's twitter handle with that request?

Interestingly there were 2 other prospective buyers with the same demand while I was at the showroom and the dealer was pushing them to book AX7 L without AWD, saying that AWD is not really needed and makes no difference to FWD . I was surprised and challenged the person to explain that in more detail. Ofcourse, he failed to do so. Instead, he asks the customer to book Thar for his 4x4 cravings. Anyway, for whatever reason Mahindra did this, i have not come across a single person who's not willing to pay extra for the Luxury option in the AWD variant. Doesn't that fact speak for itself?
Well, there might be an AWD variant in the future with the options from the Luxury pack. But such a variant in Diesel AT landing between ₹ 29L - 29.5L is likely not going to be impossible (given Mahindra will increase prices of all variants after 25,000 bookings are reached) and the luxury options added will be more (₹ 1.8L + more for on-road price). That's what it 'might' cost, on-road Bengaluru.

How many folks asking for the AWD+ L pack, are also going to be willing to pay ₹ 29L or more, for it, when it reaches (again, Bengaluru/ Bangalore only)?
Comparisons to costlier offerings like Compass and others then start. So the AX7 L and AX7 AWD variants are already a shade overpriced? The options from Luxury pack does seem a bit high for ₹ 1.8L (but possibly worth. We've seen good quality on the cameras, at least).


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Got this in my twitter feed. The source is Autocarindia.
Nice comparison of price points of different manufacturers and variants.
The ADAS from XUV is the major differentiator at this price point. I hope its bug free and well tested.

TATA has to introspect on its pricing strategy. Will be interesting to see how Hyundai and MG reacts to Mahindra pricing. If they bring in ADAS features within 1.5l the pricing almost matches XUV700 offering.

Whoever has mastered the semiconductor supply chain well is going to win.
I like that last statement you made. And this chart exactly showcases the reason Mahindra avoided a Diesel AT AWD L variant at launch. My thinking.

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If you find the guy again please ask him what he means by adrenox "subscription" I see that no one has a clue about it. The fine print in the brochure says that it is free only for one or two years. What's going to happen after that what features will stop working?
I'm not sure if i'd ever see him again (he wasn't a showroom official but Mahindra Auto company official. But if i do see him again, i will definitely ask him your query.).
In some time, I assume the dealership folk should themselves be able to answer these queries.
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Checked the XUV700 and did a mini test drive on a predefined route (apparently because they have such demand. A longer proper test drive has been offered at a later date).

First off, I was also bewildered by the feature distribution and marketing language around "option packs." I think it's best to look at the Luxury Pack AX7L as an independent trim level and pretend it's an AX9 (also justified by the added cost). So we have AWD only in AX7 and "AX9" only available in FWD Automatic. That simplifies the thought process.

Of course, the demo as well as TD vehicles were AX7L trims, so we still can't visualise what the regular trims would feel like (touch points, comfort features, etc). As for being the fully loaded trim, the very first thing that sticks out is tbe manual IRVM. An absolute eyesore in a fully loaded vehicle in any category circa 2021. There's no excuse for such an oversight.

Secondly, being on the taller side, I noticed that headroom seemed tighter compared to the XUV500 (mine being the sunroof model too). Driver seat is definitely placed higher as I could see a huge portion of the bonnet even with the seat adjusted to it's lowest setting. My co-passenger being much shorter also noticed being seated a lot closer to the ceiling, and there's no height adjustable passenger seat.

The AdrenoX system seemed impressive but a little unintuitive to control with the centre console dial. It's rotation controls system volume, so you have to nudge it in the direction you'd like to move. Rotating the dial to scroll through menus would have been more user friendly.

One oddity was that once I had my android auto up and running, pressing the home button on the centre console did nothing but highlight the circular app menu button on screen. And only after tapping it, then tapping the Mahindra icon was I able to get out of the Android Auto screen. Again, unintuitive.

The Android Auto navigation integration with the digital dash worked great, and could also be zoomed out to a full screen map view with the speed and vehicle data showed on the left and right lower portions. Pleasantly slick and easy to configure.

The drive itself was uneventful, what with it being a predetermined loop of mostly well paved roads with no major bumps or humps. But what little did come our way was faced quite comfortably. The setup is definitely stiffer than the XUV500 and more thuddy than springy. The vehicle felt tighter over undulations.

Not much to add about the NVH and power delivery than what's already been said. A much refined experience, with the usual tractable power delivery that we've been experiencing from mHawks of past. Short bursts up to 50-60kph were easy. One thing I did notice is that the car didn't seem to engine break as much when I got off the accelerator. Something that would need a longer TD to properly ascertain.

A major hiccup was that the Drive Mode button did nothing, and even going into the menus and tapping on Drive Mode on screen did nothing. So was unable to experience Zipping and Zooming, having to make do with Zapping around (told that's the default mode) and in this mode the steering definitely felt quite light with very little feedback. Once again, things that can only be better evaluated after a longer test drive.

Overall experience was positive, but as much as a step forward this is for Mahindra, still left a little disappointed with the feature spread as you're essentially being pushed to the Automatic 7seater only if you want the good sound system, wireless charging, and other minor features that are usually available in mid level trims of the competition.

Oh and that manual IRVM. I mean c'mon Mahindra. You have ADAS, auto dimming high beams and you can't stick an auto dimming IRVM? What were they thinking!

Also the blanks besides the seat adjustment buttons. You'll always know a feature is in the pipelines but you don't have it. Is the early bird pricing worth missing out on probably impending feature additions? Hmm...
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Mahindra doesn't seem to have provided the option of removing items from the cart on their website. I'm in two minds about the transmission option, but can't find the option to change my selection.
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The AdrenoX system seemed impressive but a little unintuitive to control with the centre console dial. It's rotation controls system volume, so you have to nudge it in the direction you'd like to move. Rotating the dial to scroll through menus would have been more user friendly.
In one of the review videos (don't exactly know which one after watching zillion videos on it ) the reviewer had mentioned that the Intelli-Control knob is customisable. i.e. We can change what its rotation does. It can either be used as a volume control knob or menu navigation knob. But I'll have to check that in real for confirmation and I don't know when that will happen (living in a tier-3 city no idea when the vehicle will come here for its rare DARSHAN)

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Also the blanks besides the seat adjustment buttons. You'll always know a feature is in the pipelines but you don't have it. Is the early bird pricing worth missing out on probably impending feature additions? Hmm...
Many of our esteemed BHPians and seniors have said this time and again that waiting for some time and buying a slightly pricier but well kitted variant is always better in terms of peace of mind than lapping up the launch variants with attractive prices but random features and cribbing for its life.

So in general, if you're least bothered about the missing features and are happy with the current INTRODUCTORY variants then grab it like there's no tomorrow. Others (like me ) are advised to hold your hearts tight, take a deep breath and wait for few more months to throw your money at M&M coffers
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Price comparison of all major players in SUV segment


Here is a link to C&B article for reference

https://www.carandbike.com/news/mahi...arison-2559993

What M&M is doing in the name of ‘Essential kit ‘ , and charging customers 25-35 k, is actually Daylight Loot. It’s just a move to keep Label price below a certain mark , at the same time, fleecing the unsuspecting customers.
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Bookings are not open yet. All one can do is add the car to the cart and wait for 7th Oct. When booking open on 7th Oct 10am, one can make online payment and book the car.

I would suggest you add the car to the cart, and book it yourself on 7th Oct, by making an online payment of 21,000/-. The dealer you choose during booking will then follow up with you.
This is correct, the dealers do not have the control over the booking for now. Just came down from the dealership who had taken 21k post dated cheque from me. He told me due to the "Thar booking fiasco", Mahindra didn't want the dealers to over book, promise all clients delivery and then create a mess. The online booking and confirmation would make sure that Mahindra has details on the first 25k bookings. Also the whole procedure from booking till delivery will be notified to us through the company directly. If I believe his words, then we will be notified at each step from the car going into production to arriving at stockyard, at the same time as the dealer. Dominos delivery come to my mind when I think about it .

So, gear up to play fastest finger first on 7th Oct 10 am. Also the official word is that "Petrol AX7 L" variants will rollout first followed by other variants and then the Diesel would come. My dealership has a Diesel MT for the TD as well. Also once you pay the 21k online, you can't change the variant or the color as that would be considered as new booking and you'll have to cancel the old one (cancellation charges apply).

Also I'd seen some pics of the paint job a few pages a ago which looked untidy and something that was finished off in a hurry leaving lines etc. Actually it is the rubber/adhesive lining in the engine bay and the boot door and if you press it you would know its not metal. Checked it in 3 cars that were standing there and all had the same.

The door trims is now wrapped in the upholstery leather and the showroom cars had been updated, though my TD car (AX7 L AT Petrol) still had the wooden finish plastic.

The steering is very light and for me coming in from Old generation civic, it felt lifeless. The advisor told me it would be heavier on higher speeds but couldn't check as I was in city traffic. Handling in the city is very easy and sitting inside driving it, the car doesn't seem so big. My wife drove it as well and she was really impressed with the blind view camera that appeared on the MID. The car handled the pot holes very well and we both were grinning, as our civic would have scrapped the hump that came after the pothole.

The NVH levels are really low. We were in the nosiest part of the city and couldn't hear the traffic at all. Even the horn noise that seeps inside the cabin is really low to a point where i had to ask the advisor, if they are properly working or not.

The EPB (electronic parking brake), are engaged when you take the vehicle from a stand still and the gear is in "P" mode. You've to press the brake pedal and press the EPB button to release the brakes.

The Automatic hold button behind the EPB is an option you can choose to enable or disable. While its on, if you bring the vehicle to a stand still, then just releasing the foot brakes won't move the car forward and you'll have to press the accelerator to get going. Coming from automatic civic, I'm used to drive just with brakes in heavy traffic, as you hardly need to accelerate in bumper to bumper traffic and automatic hold would be troublesome rather then handy in such cases. I switched it off and the car was moving forward normally when foot is taken off the brake. Though comparing it with the AT Thar, the forward acceleration is subtle, while the Thar just takes off. I think Mahindra tuned it further to be more realistic in city traffic.

Brakes were adequate and on the quicker side. I felt the foot travel is less and application is too quick for my liking. But i'm sure I'll get used to it.

So the Sony 3D surround (12 speaker setup), which I think is mostly the extra 2L of the Luxury model comprises of, is definitely worth it. Apart from the TD, you've to test this to get an earful of the work Sony and Mahindra has put in. I would say, for me to achieve this level of sophistication would be next to impossible with my local installer. This level of audio would have to be done through a specialist and with the built in amplifier and 3D DSP, this setup alone would have costed the 2L. You've to try all the options of field levels and 3D options that are preset. The quality is amazing and I didn't go beyond sound level 5 for my taste, though I did increased it to 8-9 to hear the thump.

I would leave the TD review for later, when I take it for a longer drive in a few days and test more features. For now the city drive was good and I didn't find any niggles. It's definitely a "GO" for me.
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What M&M is doing in the name of ‘Essential kit ‘ , and charging customers 25-35 k, is actually Daylight Loot. It’s just a move to keep Label price below a certain mark , at the same time, fleecing the unsuspecting customers.
All the dealers i spoke to said that the "Essential Kit" of 35,000/- is not compulsory, but the the final price includes it for now. One can opt out of it. They said that one will eventually require some accessory for sure, so basically one would land up utilizing the "Essential Kit" parts. For now only one dealer gave me a breakup of the Kit(7D mats, etc don't remember) - although while every-dealer said that the Kit is customizable with what ever one needs to add on as accessories. I am sure, people buying this huge car, will definitely require a side-step, rear bumper, mats, some chrome highlighting, etc.

But be sure, that the kit is optional, although its included in the final price for now. The word "Essential" i guess, probably means that one will eventually land up buying these accessories no matter what.

I'll also add on some information regarding the big Insurance
All the dealers said that the Insurance is customizable - i.e. one can add on other covers as per their wish. All dealers specifically mentioned that they are ready to match the price, if one gets a lower quote from elsewhere. btw, none of the dealers were firm on what all covers are included in the mentioned insurance quote - zero depreciation is definitely there, but then there was a confusion, some said engine cover is there , some said consumable cover is also included, no RTI, some said all covers are included. Total confusion. Guess, if one is successful in booking on 7th, things should get clear to them later on what all is included in the "essential kit" and "insurance".

In short -
  • Essential Kit is not compulsory - but one will land up buying accessories, which will be essential for the car
  • Insurance is customizable, and one dealers are ready to match other quotes
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For now, the final on-road price includes "Essential Kit" + "Big Insurance"
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