[shankar.balan]

I would wait for more data and information around this before condemning it out of hand.
Because I still think that the Scorpio N Z4 has a lot more going for it than the XUV700.
Of course this may also be due to my own bias towards greater utility and function than gizmos in an SUV.

Originally Posted by naru80

Bye bye Scorpio N. Hello XUV700.
But for those of us on a budget, who were considering Z4 AT, this is a deal-breaker.

[naru80]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

I would wait for more data and information around this before condemning it out of hand.
Because I still think that the Scorpio N Z4 has a lot more going for it than the XUV700.
Of course this may also be due to my own bias towards greater utility and function than gizmos in an SUV.

It is not condemnation, it is personal preference. What works for you may not work for me.

Happy motoring

[Ganapathy]

Hi - Just a small doubt - Would the lower state of tune Diesel Engine available in the lower variant automatically translate into better FE figures?

[fazalmirza]

A nice 5 mins video with 3000 km experience of driving Diesel MT and AT.

https://youtu.be/E_WucpZLE28

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Ganapathy

Hi - Just a small doubt - Would the lower state of tune Diesel Engine available in the lower variant automatically translate into better FE figures?

Am also counting on that.
Smaller tyres, 43bhp less, less kerb weight and the presence of a sixth gear (which was not there in the 120bhp variant of the old Scorpio) should mean better FE figures than the 173bhp version.
Fingers crossed.

[RedMaw]

Recently went to Mahindra showroom and checked out Scorpio-N. The interest seems to be high compared to XUV700. No one will mistake the car other than a Scorpio but its a very large and imposing car.



Space seems to be still at a premium in the middle row? I am 5'9" and 105 Kgs and I had very good under thigh support compared to XUV700


I noticed couple of rough edges. Hopefully Mahindra will polish it before actual delivery.




By looking at the interest in tier II town, I think Mahindra has another run away success on their hand. Its going to be hit among rural sectors.

[AdB1991]

Hello BHPians. Thanks to the moderators who approved me as a member. Apologies in advance if I write something that is not related to this thread or is against the forum rules.

Well just a little background, I currently own 2017 Innova Crysta Diesel Manual and a 2021 Audi A6 45 TFSI Technology which is about to complete 1 year. My next purchase will be to replace the Innova Crysta (almost run to 50,000 kms) due to Diesel life of a vehicle in NCR (although I haven't faced any issue with the vehicle and can easily keep the same for next 2-3 years and then later sell the same). In the past, we have usually kept our vehicles for 4-5 years on an average and never touched any vehicle beyond 60,000 kms (New Purchase) and 80,000 kms (Second Owner).

So in search of replacing the Innova (though not in a hurry at all), I took the Test drive of Automatic Innova (quite unimpressive compared to the Manual Diesel) and then I test drove XUV 700 Petrol Automatic (Petrol being the preference since running of both vehicles combined will be about 20,000 kms annually and strict NCR rules) which I found to be quite impressive. The waiting at that time was around 18 months for the top of the line variant.

After Scorpio N launch, I knew I had to look at this vehicle for sure especially considering the launch prices (and the increase we all expect in the prices after that). Yesterday, took my family (mother, wife and an infant) to check out both the vehicles and test drove the same.

Few Observations:

1. I was really impressed by the size of Scorpio - N and had an instant connect with the front design. The rear though not amazing is not a deal breaker for me.

2. Third seat is quite useless and in terms of boot space, it is better to unscrew the seat screws and keep it out (as we would hardly use the third row)

3. Test drove the XUV 700 (Petrol AT) first with family (which I had driven before alone) and the instant comfort and ride comparison began with Innova Crysta by my family. They didn't feel a lot of difference between the ride quality but definitely thought the space in the second row is much less that in Innova. Rest everything was within the comfort.

4. Test drove the Scorpio - N (Petrol AT) after this (a very short test drive as the showroom was not allowing to take it beyond the subscribed area demarcated by them).
As soon as I got in the driving seat, it felt amazing and brought a smile to my face immediately. The vehicle size and commanding seat position was very impressive.
Even the steering felt better (since XUV's steering is very very light for that size which is a good thing in my use case but would have preferred it to be more heavy for its size) to hold and grip.
The AC was much more effective than that of XUV 700.
The ride quality (though we tested on the highway only and no bad patch of roads) was good for its size and I don't make a lot of cuts at high speeds, so I was impressed by it.

At the end, the mind said XUV 700 (or explore other comparatively smaller vehicles like Toyota Hyryder or other new launches that might happen in next 1-2 years since I can easily live with my Innova till then). But the heart was saying Scorpio - N purely for its sheer size and the way it handles and feels while driving. Add to it a very good launch price though there are quite a few misses on the comfort features but one feature that I felt could have been added in the top end is the 360 degree camera. Though I have never used it before in any of my cars, but while parking the XUV 700 after test driving in a very peculiar spot, it felt very easy to park the vehicle cause of the 360 degree camera which would be a big miss for Scorpio - N. Hope they rectify this soon.

Have asked the SA to arrange a more engaging and longer test drive once the rush is settled down. Have added the Z8L AT variant in the cart; though I know I would not book the same in initial 25,000 bookings as I don't feel Innova should be replaced this year. Also, I am hoping some of the features could be added in both XUV 700 and Scorpio - N in the near future where I would feel the wait was worth it (though the prices at that point might change my mind again).

Will update if I get to take another longer test drive and you never know if the heart rules over the mind.

Will also check out the Hyryder once the test drive begins (though the boot space is the only issue for me, else it seems they have covered most of the things in terms of features in this one).

Hoping to share my past experiences and add some inputs as well as make my next purchase more engaging by taking inputs of the forum members.

[adg_andy]

Originally Posted by RedMaw

Space seems to be still at a premium in the middle row? I am 5'9" and 105 Kgs and I had very good under thigh support compared to XUV700.

Hi, confused here between two parts of your sentence - on one hand you say space is at a premium and on other hand you mentioned to have good under thigh support. So, which one is it- space is there or not ?

[vivekgk]

Originally Posted by naru80

Bye bye Scorpio N. Hello XUV700.

The value proposition goes out of the window with this info. If money is no object and you're getting the Z8 anyway, these numbers won't matter so much.

But for those of us on a budget, who were considering Z4 AT, this is a deal-breaker.

It is a heavy BOF, RWD vehicle. BOF translates to heavier car, and RWD coupled with a lossy torque converter translates to lower FE. Scorpio was never really known for it's efficiency after all.

What is interesting is that in the City figures, there's less than 1 kmpl difference between the Petrol and Diesel AT models. Come the switchover to (hopefully) cheaper Ethanol, and the lower maintenance costs down the lane, the Petrol might end up being the cheaper one to own. It's making me wonder if I should switch my booking to Petrol AT and have an option to convert to CNG or LPG if needed. My running with My Ecosport has been far less than anticipated, at less than 600 km/month overall.

And this mileage isn't half-bad considering the power and weight of the SUV. MG Astor 1.3T owners have reported about 8kmpl in the city in this forum, AFAIK.

[RedMaw]

Originally Posted by adg_andy

Hi, confused here between two parts of your sentence - on one hand you say space is at a premium and on other hand you mentioned to have good under thigh support. So, which one is it- space is there or not ?

The seat length is large so under thigh support is good but the seat width cannot accommodate three MEs i.e. three large person might find difficult to sit in middle. If you see the picture, I am already encroaching on the middle passengers space.

[naru80]

Originally Posted by vivekgk

What is interesting is that in the City figures, there's less than 1 kmpl difference between the Petrol and Diesel AT models. Come the switchover to (hopefully) cheaper Ethanol, and the lower maintenance costs down the lane, the Petrol might end up being the cheaper one to own.

That's a very good point.

Originally Posted by vivekgk

It's making me wonder if I should switch my booking to Petrol AT and have an option to convert to CNG or LPG if needed. My running with My Ecosport has been far less than anticipated, at less than 600 km/month overall.

Interesting thought process here. Haven't really come across a big SUV running on CNG! Let's see where they price the ATs.

[Poitive]

Originally Posted by vivekgk

... Come the switchover to (hopefully) cheaper Ethanol, and the lower maintenance costs down the lane, the Petrol might end up being the cheaper one to own....

Just to add here: we need to consider the FE being lower on higher ethanol blending in fuel, and also consider how it might impact the vehicle's engine, fuel lines etc. What might be potentially saved in per litre cost might be lost to other factors. Then there would also be the issue of lower torque and bhp.

Edit: I don't even know if the current Scorpio-N can accept high ethanol fuel blends. Future models may, with increased purchase price (like BS6 did for different hardware). Here Mahindra could well have an advantage with powerful engines being better placed to accept a drop in power and torque, as compared to it's competitors.

[waypoint]

I had put some questions and requests to M&M in email (mailto:customer.care@mahindra.com) and got reply from CUSTOMERCARE@mahindra.com where some items put to them were ignored, some were appropriately responded to and some were vaguely responded to. Below snips list verbatim interactions of those items which were responded to -

Originally Posted by waypoint

The below is what I have seen in all the Scorpio-N that I have come across till now, 3 of them.

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Me: It seems to be a well engineered car but it would be a shame that the existence of such primitively fixable hazards stops buyers from going for Scorpio-N. A similar issue exists just under the steering column too. Please fix them as soon as possible. The one below the glove box is dangerous for kids.

Mahindra: we understand your concern, generally the connectors are well secured & basically situated at a elevated height behind the glove box so it not easily accessible for kids plus you know as per safety norms kids should be discouraged to be seated in the front passenger side seat

Originally Posted by pandabear

To be honest this is a real deal breaker not to have a curtain airbag for a third row passenger especially for 7 seater SUV developed from scratch. I have low expectations, would be delighted if it was the case you just pointed out.

Me: Do curtain Airbags cover the entire 3rd row or are they only till 2nd row and do not protect 3rd row?

Mahindra: The Scorpio N curtain airbag will protect till second row only, for more details you can always visit our website & check our safety section and get a clear view for the same or you can refer the below attached image



Me: Which SIM provider M&M is using for Adrenox - Airtel or Vodafone or Jio? Which plan it is and how much does it cost? Can a user change the network?

Mahindra: Service provider is: VODAFONE, Subscription is free for a duration of 1 year, there will be no cost borne by the customer for the 1st year & network switching facility is un available for the user

Me: How many years of Adrenox subscription comes bundled with the newly purchased Scorpio-N? Is that subscription transferable to the next owner of the car? How much would the subscription cost after the initial duration gets over?

Mahindra: The newly purchased vehicle AdreNox subscription will be free for 1 year, YES subscription is transferable to next owner provided KYC process is completed & subscription cost after initial duration will be communicated to you as soon as possible

Me: Can a buyer provide preference to use items from one of the suppliers of M&M for the car being manufactured for the corresponding order, like using tyres from Bridgestone instead Apollo or MRF?

Mahindra: Our engineering & design team find the best fit make of tires on the basis of vehicle character and we always recommend the same make/size


Given M&M's responses -

I am not convinced that those wires and assemblies under the glove box are acceptable design choice. Were engineers at M&M too focused on suspension aspects and forgot about obvious accessible hazardous spots in cabin?

Any part of the vehicle cannot be designed to be unsafe for children or any other age group where those age group's occupants were not expected to be. There can be scenarios when there are many children travelling at the same time and some child might have to occupy the front seat. An inquisitive child is likely to spot it and explore it.

Moreover, M&M's that thought process leaves only 2nd and 3rd rows for children to occupy for safe travel, yet they do not provide curtain airbags coverage in 3rd row. Such choices are difficult to understand for me.

[akannath]

Originally Posted by Venkatesh

Mahindra Scorpio-N automatic real world fuel economy tested.



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Source

There are YT video reviews shared here earlier that showed Diesel AT returning ~13Kmpl. Those were predominantly highway runs.

[DheerajNK]

I have actually added a Diesel MT Z8 to the cart and took the test drive of Petrol auto variant this week as that was the only car available with the dealership. Some observations and notes from my end.

1. The Scorpio-N is really HUGE. I really thought it is a marketing thing when it was being compared to Fortuner but when I visited the showroom for the test drive, coincidentally the test vehicle was parked behind a Fortuner on the road. I was just overwhelmed with the size of this SUV, those gangsta looks!

2. I have always admired the street presence of the bigger SUVs (especially the Fortuner and Endeavours) and I really liked butch look & size of Scorpio-N. Once again, I had added Black colour to the cart and luckily the test vehicle was also black so it gave me a clear idea of how black colour will look in real world.

3. Coming from a Vento, I just loved the commanding driving position & it was as if I was sitting on the roof of a Vento and driving

4. Very light steering & great power. Not sure how the steering will weigh at higher speeds. Since the test drive was only 2-3 kms in traffic, didn't really get to see how the vehicle handles at high speeds

5. I am fine with the concerns of third row seating & luggage space because of I am looking at this as a 5 seater proper SUV with adequate luggage space. Because as it is pointed out in one of the earlier posts, rather than getting a 5 seater pseudo SUV with compromised safety, I would any day prefer going for this proper SUV with whatever features it has along with safety and more importantly in the same price bracket. We can compare this car with any other car we want but pricing remains the key here.

6. So far I have not compared the Scorpio-N with XUV 7OO even though I took the test drive of XUV 7OO immediately after driving the Scorpio. XUV 7OO definitely feels premium, third row is slightly better than Scorpio-N, luggage space is flat when you fold the third row and I think body roll in 7OO is less compared to Scorpio-N due to obvious reasons. But can I get it for the same money? Answer is No. XUV 7OO is definitely better than Scorpio-N in so many ways but any equivalent variant of 7OO is 2-3 lacs expensive than the Scorpio and of course it comes with additional features as well.

So to conclude, in my view if someone is looking for a "SUV" in that price bracket, Scorpio-N is a very good option & much better option than the smaller mini-SUVs. The only thing I am eager to understand now is how the Scorpio-N's middle row feels in high speed lane changes & winding roads. Since I have used Sedans for a long time now, I am not sure how comfortable my co-passengers are going to feel with the body roll provided most of my travel involves western ghats and my fellow travellers (wife & son) are not big fans of the winding roads even in the Vento. From the reviews it doesn't look like an issue but we are not used to sitting at such heights & moving Awaiting a detailed test drive in the next couple of weeks as promised by the dealership.

Thanks,
Dheeraj