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Old 27th March 2021, 11:08   #13321
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There is indeed some issue with K Yadav playing under Kohli or it is just the latter's poor captaincy. The game was never a 50 overs post the onslaught by Stokes. Should have let Bhuvi, Krishna and Thakur to bowl out between 30-40 overs.
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H Pandya (need to bowl 10 overs)
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P Krishna

You bring the best bowlers but England are hell bent to play like two T20 matches in one ODI. They have set the template and will repeat it or atleast try to do it in the Finals as well.
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Old 27th March 2021, 12:51   #13322
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Since Hardik Pandya's bowling workload has to be managed, bowling unit is yet again severely weakened! Krunal is at best an average bowler in T20s, forget about ODI where he's forced to bowl 10 overs. Prasidh is leaking runs in his 1st spell, Shardul is a better bowler with his cutters/slower balls when the ball gets slightly older. Don't see Kuldeep playing for a long time now! Sundar can perhaps open the bowling but looks more like Chahal will play in place of Kuldeep. Hope team management allows Hardik to bowl 4-5 overs atleast.
If everyone in the team can hit like this, we can’t do much. As rightly pointed out, we need at least bowler how can curtail run rate

Hardik’s load is being managed so he bat and bowl in IPL :(. Slowly the preference will be in League and World cups alone like Football leagues.

Why not try Ashwin when the current spinners have no clue.

Hope we should go in with at least 5 all Rounders (Hardik, Washy, Krunal, Thakur, Jaddu) and 2 specialist bowlers and 3 specialist batsman and Pant or KL for Wicketkeeper.

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I fail to understand why Ashwin is not getting a chance. He is a street smart bowler and not too bad with the bat either. Kuldeep’s stint with blue jersey seems over for now. No issues, he’s a young man who can play domestic/IPL and get his groove back over time. But I strongly feel India is missing sharpness in Spin department with Jaddu’s absence. Chahal is good on some days but terrible at times leaking runs. Ashwin might bring the balance on restricting the run flow at least.

Hope for T20 World-Cup we have the full strength bowling squad fit. Bumrah, Bhuvi, shami, Jadeja in particular.

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The first ODI was England's loss more than our win. When you have batsmen like them, you need to pickup wickets. Agree Ashwin is better and a thinking bowler. Lately our spin bowling is coming out weak except in tests on dust bowls ! Krunal is not a genuine allrounder neither is Hardik now. So not sure what their role is.
its better to have 4 good bowlers. Hopefully when they rejoin the team we will have

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Agree Ashwin is better and a thinking bowler.
One thing that probably plays on the team management's mind is Ashwin's fielding which could become a liability in an ODI game. Also, his running between the wickets is not great and that brings his batting down a notch in the ODI game.
This has now led to the situation where he is considered only for Tests where his accuracy and thinking plus experimentation and setting up batsmen gets him wickets.

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The main concern is the team management approach to white ball game. They simply don't understand this is not the 90's. If you want to win against teams like England you need to be aggressive from start. We are still making less than 100 in first 20 overs and just content with singles till 35th over. We could have made 400 yesterday if we wanted to but we already have the mindset of being content with a 300 score.

Look at Kohli- in post match comments he said he was happy with 300 and 36 extra were bonus runs. That's ridiculous thinking on that pitch against England on a small ground with 65m boundaries. True, our bowling was abysmal but England plays like this against all bowling attacks so we should prepare accordingly.

Unless we chase in last match or play extraordinary well I see the same happening again.

Also, if Pandya won't be bowling why don't they play a proper aggressive batsman like SKY? Hardik should only play if he can play as an allrounder.

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Old 27th March 2021, 20:40   #13327
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Agree with Hardik's case as a batsman. He deserves his place in the team only if he contributes in both departments. Otherwise we should play a proper batsman like Surya Kumar in his place. Krunal's bowling is nothing to write about and he looked clueless today when Stokes went after him. I think Sundar is a mature bowler than him, especially in cases where batsman target him. Krunal's batting strike rate may be better than Sundar, but I think Sundar as a package is a better choice than Krunal.

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'Virat Kohli missed a trick': VVS Laxman 'surprised' with India captain's decision of not bowling Hardik Pandya

Had the same questions too, when the wickets fell Krunal, the most expensive bowler of the night came to bowl. That was quite baffling.

'It's old-fashioned, 50-overs cricket from five years ago': Nasser Hussain explains 'problem' with India's slow starts

There is lot of talk of India's approach. ODIs are being seen as an extended T20 session. So if 160 is par score in T20s, then 350 is seen as par score in ODIs.

But the score depends on the pitch. I feel the current pitch is favouring England batsmen. The pitch must assist Indian bowlers, then there is good chance for India.

This will also ensure there is difference between human bowlers and bowling machines.

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So England have won the toss yet again and will take the field first!

One change in the India XI with Natarajan replacing Kuldeep. Batting and bowling need to be exceptionally good to beat England today, fingers crossed
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India couldn’t manage to bat the full quota of 50 overs. Will have to bowl really tight to restrict English batsmen. Hope we manage to win this and the series. But looks tough. We are definitely at least 20-25 runs short

Last few series’ after loosing first match we ended up winning the series. Here we won the first, will that lead to loosing the series?

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India couldnít manage to bat the full quota of 50 overs. Will have to bowl really tight to restrict English batsmen. Hope we manage to win this and the series. But looks tough. We are definitely at least 20-25 runs short

Last few seriesí after loosing first match we ended up winning the series. Here we won the first, will that lead to loosing the series?
Bowlers really need to bowl tight.
Bhuvi has got a good start, I hope he capatalizes on it.
Bairstow seems shaky , I hope we get him and stones quick.
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Old 28th March 2021, 19:17   #13332
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Good performance with the ball so far. I just hope a possible series win won’t paper over the cracks. There is very little evidence of long term planning with this team. I hope it does not come back to bite the team in the butt at one of the major ICC tournaments.
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Old 28th March 2021, 19:53   #13333
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Viral showing his face to players for missing a remote run out chance especially to player like Prasidh isn't looking nice at all. Poor youngsters what kind of feel they will have.
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And Hardik seems to have butter fingers today. Virat isn’t expressing those emotions on the dropped chances by Hardik.

Sam Curran had been a thorn when we played the test matches against them two years back. He’s doing a rearguard innings. Hope our bowlers wrap up the remaining 3 wickets.
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And Hardik seems to have butter fingers today. Virat isnít expressing those emotions on the dropped chances by Hardik.
I noticed that too. I think this is what will eventually separate him from an alright captain vs a true leader.
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