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Old 11th September 2019, 20:59   #9406
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That's pretty strange. I've never really had an issue with any of the car parts from Ghai. Quite a few Bhpians get their stuff from him. Maybe you got unlucky with the pads.

I'll pm the mechanic's no. You can give him my reference - just say the one with the grey Honda Civic gave me your reference. He'll know. The guy's setup is nothing fancy. But he's an old hand.
Thanks for the help.
Being from L & D background, just like you I trust experience much over fancy tools and machinery.
His experience is an asset which can never be compared with an in-
experienced technician in a hi-fi workshop.

I have seen technicians operate my Swift in a big workshop who couldn't mount the engine properly and had damaged the fine aluminium treads on the block.
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Thanks for the help.
Being from L & D background, just like you I trust experience much over fancy tools and machinery.
His experience is an asset which can never be compared with an in-
experienced technician in a hi-fi workshop.

I have seen technicians operate my Swift in a big workshop who couldn't mount the engine properly and had damaged the fine aluminium treads on the block.
Yeah I understand what you're saying. He's always charged me less than what I had expected the repair to cost and he's honest and diligent with his work. That's what makes the difference, especially in today's times.
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Do you have the contact number of this place in Noida sector 16? Even mine is experiencing the same issue.

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"Ignorance can be tough"

Everyone used to advice me to keep the ORVMs folded specially the electric ones on my 2011 Civic.
Lesson was learned - the harder way!

"Always keep the electric ORVMs folded (if Auto Folding feature is not there by default)".

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After a routine brake pads change, the ABS light has come on. My FNG guy got the sensors checked and its fine. Do I need to run it through a scanner?
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After a routine brake pads change, the ABS light has come on. My FNG guy got the sensors checked and its fine. Do I need to run it through a scanner?
The ABS wires over age become weak and need to be handled carefully. See if there is any cut in the them. Meanwhile any plans on upgrade to the new Civic or you are considering keeping same running? I am glad to see your Civic run 200k kms.
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After a routine brake pads change, the ABS light has come on. My FNG guy got the sensors checked and its fine. Do I need to run it through a scanner?

A scan is likely to give a very precise cause on what is wrong. Much better than all this trial and error.

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A scan is likely to give a very precise cause on what is wrong. Much better than all this trial and error.

Good luck,
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Yeah that's what I figured as well. I'll probably take it over the weekend. The brakes work fine though.
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The ABS wires over age become weak and need to be handled carefully. See if there is any cut in the them. Meanwhile any plans on upgrade to the new Civic or you are considering keeping same running? I am glad to see your Civic run 200k kms.
I think the wires might be the culprit. Will need to get them checked. My FNG guy said it's only the sensor malfunctioning.

I was in the market for a replacement for my Civic since it'll be 13 years old soon. 2,15,000 KMs on, the niggles are cropping up more frequently now and the legendary reliability is moving up to the questionable mark, albeit slowly. I've never been stranded on the road and I don't think it'll ever reach that stage but it's been asking for a lot of maintenance now as far as replacement of parts is concerned.

Had checked out the new Civic. Came back disappointed.
The 8th gen design was unique and it still makes heads turn, was quite a beautiful car which ages gracefully. The new one is just like any other D segment sedan - easy to lose in the crowd. The space inside hasn't really received much of a bump up. And there's a bump at the back due to the transmission tunnel in the new one as well. The cabin design was nice but nothing special. The driving dynamics are good. But then, paying double for more or less the same car powered by the same engine just didn't cut it out for me.

I'd gone to check out the Hector and I'm more or less happy with the SUV. Looks like I'm eventually tilting towards an SUV in the sedan vs SUV debate, especially considering my requirements.

What about you? The civic still doing its duty ?
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Hey Guys,

Need your help once again.

My Civic recently faced the wrath of Mumbai rains and water managed to enter the engine. I was driving through a slightly flooded road, the water was upto mid tyre level, and some water was sucked in through the intake and the car stalled in the water. I did not start it back once it stalled and got it towed to HASS.

Upon inspection, it seems that the engine is hydrolocked. Although the dip stick shows no sign of water, the technician is of the opinion that water must have entered the pistons and hence the engine is not turning.

Now, we have been trying to process this under insurance, however it seems unlikely that insurance will cover a major part of the repair. Honda has quoted a rough figure of INR 2L + for the repairs.

I will be getting clarity on the insurance aspect within a couple of days, however given the remote possibility of the same being taken care of completely by insurance, I am looking at possibilities of getting the civic repaired from an FNG.

Firstly, any reference to a good known FNG in Mumbai who specialises in this particular area will be very helpful. I have spoken to a couple of my known mechanics and have got varying quotes from 10-15K, 30-40K, 60-65K and 70-80K for the repairs.

Secondly, has anyone faced something similar to this? I am trying to ascertain whether a repaired engine will be reliable to live with in the future.

Best,
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Hey Guys,

Need your help once again.

My Civic recently faced the wrath of Mumbai rains and water managed to enter the engine. I was driving through a slightly flooded road, the water was upto mid tyre level, and some water was sucked in through the intake and the car stalled in the water. I did not start it back once it stalled and got it towed to HASS.

Upon inspection, it seems that the engine is hydrolocked. Although the dip stick shows no sign of water, the technician is of the opinion that water must have entered the pistons and hence the engine is not turning.

How does he come to the conclusion it hydro locked? If the water was mid tyre your intake was way above the water level.

Can the engine be turned by hand?
When you say the engine is not turning, what does it mean? Not cranking when you attempt to start?

I do not want to give you false hope, but I think you need to establish first beyond doubt that the engine is indeed hydro locked! If not, fixing the problem is likely to be a lot simpler and is most likely more electrical/electronically.

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How does he come to the conclusion it hydro locked? If the water was mid tyre your intake was way above the water level.

Can the engine be turned by hand?
When you say the engine is not turning, what does it mean? Not cranking when you attempt to start?

I do not want to give you false hope, but I think you need to establish first beyond doubt that the engine is indeed hydro locked! If not, fixing the problem is likely to be a lot simpler and is most likely more electrical/electronically.

Good luck

Jeroen
Thanks, Jeroen.

While the intake was above the mid-tyre level (where the water was), some water has been sucked in through the intake itself. Although the intake opening is near the bonnet level, I am given to understand by the Honda folks that since the pipe for the same goes from under the engine, there is a possibility that the water got sucked in from there. Also, the air filter was slightly damp and I could see some water marks in the air filter box.

I visited the Honda service center personally and made them attempt to turn the engine by hand. The same is not happening. The technician further confirmed that the engine is indeed hydrolocked.

In regard to cranking, the same has not been attempted.

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Thanks, Jeroen.

Although the intake opening is near the bonnet level, I am given to understand by the Honda folks that since the pipe for the same goes from under the engine, there is a possibility that the water got sucked in from there. Also, the air filter was slightly damp and I could see some water marks in the air filter box.
Are you saying that the intake pipe was damaged in between or had a tear or something from where the water was able to get sucked inside the engine there rather from the main opening which is near the battery? What are the various parts Honda is quoting for? As always in case the quote is on the higher side seek a second opinion.

Edit: Attached a pic of the intake. Can you mention where it sucked in the water from? I am just trying to understand the cause, since even I have driven the Civic in water logged area last year.

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It is possible, the resonator box is very near to the plastic under body protector. There are holes in the resonator box, and probably water could enter via that, and get sucked in though the final air filter and intake to the car is at bonnet height.


I had a habit of breaking the resonator while on my wild drives and for this reason I was pretty cautious not to wade in water once I saw that resonator box.
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Are you saying that the intake pipe was damaged in between or had a tear or something from where the water was able to get sucked inside the engine there rather from the main opening which is near the battery? What are the various parts Honda is quoting for? As always in case the quote is on the higher side seek a second opinion.

Edit: Attached a pic of the intake. Can you mention where it sucked in the water from? I am just trying to understand the cause, since even I have driven the Civic in water logged area last year.
Thanks, Sumeeth for sharing the pictures. This is exactly what I was talking about.

The water seems to have been sucked in from the resonator box. The same was also mentioned by the Honda technician. As you will notice, the resonator box is located way below the actual intake and is somewhat at the mid-tyre level i.e. the height of water which I was trying to drive trough.

I am yet to receive a quote from HASS however it will be in the range of 2L if not more. Given the quote, I definitely do not intend on getting the car repaired from HASS and I am on the lookout for a good FNG who can handle such cases. I have been provided with the details of a mechanic by my Honda contact who has quoted 15-20k for the repair. I spoke to him and he has been in the business since 1970 and seemed like a genuine person. My only concern being that I have no clue how well this repair will be in terms of reliability in the future.

Further, the varying quotes from 15k to 70k for the repairs provided by outside mechanics/FNG's has me more confused as to what is the work that will be required.

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It is possible, the resonator box is very near to the plastic under body protector. There are holes in the resonator box, and probably water could enter via that, and get sucked in though the final air filter and intake to the car is at bonnet height.


I had a habit of breaking the resonator while on my wild drives and for this reason I was pretty cautious not to wade in water once I saw that resonator box.
Thanks, Laluks.

Thanks for pointing out that the resonator box has holes in it. I believe the same would have been the entry point for water. I was under the impression that since the air intake is actually located higher, the civic will be able to wade through mid-try depth water. Learned something new the hard way.

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The only worry is that Honda does not sell components over the counter. Once the FNG checks out, if without much changes all is well, then it is a happy scenario. Please check with the FNG how he plans to source the components for the engine, if at all it comes to that. If you are convinced, then proceed.
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Hey Guys,

Need your help once again.

My Civic recently faced the wrath of Mumbai rains and water managed to enter the engine. I was driving through a slightly flooded road, the water was upto mid tyre level, and some water was sucked in through the intake and the car stalled in the water. I did not start it back once it stalled and got it towed to HASS.

Upon inspection, it seems that the engine is hydrolocked. Although the dip stick shows no sign of water, the technician is of the opinion that water must have entered the pistons and hence the engine is not turning.

Now, we have been trying to process this under insurance, however it seems unlikely that insurance will cover a major part of the repair. Honda has quoted a rough figure of INR 2L + for the repairs.

I will be getting clarity on the insurance aspect within a couple of days, however given the remote possibility of the same being taken care of completely by insurance, I am looking at possibilities of getting the civic repaired from an FNG.

Firstly, any reference to a good known FNG in Mumbai who specialises in this particular area will be very helpful. I have spoken to a couple of my known mechanics and have got varying quotes from 10-15K, 30-40K, 60-65K and 70-80K for the repairs.

Secondly, has anyone faced something similar to this? I am trying to ascertain whether a repaired engine will be reliable to live with in the future.

Best,
Enigmatic

Hello,

My Civic too had to face the Mumbai floods no thanks to my wise guy driver who has absolutely no skills of driving water. My dad has forced him to turn around after seeing water ahead. He turned, but few minutes later, told dad that they can pass through the water. So he took on the floods and ultimately stalling the car. I had warned him earlier in the day not to venture anywhere near water. Im assuming your car hit same water levels as mine cause water entered my car and the carpets and mats were soaked.

Anyway, I got him to get the car pushed to one side safely. My brother called his friend who went there with a mechanic a couple of hours later. The guy opened the airbox and the air filter was totally wet. He got it cleaned and dried a bit. Once done he cranked the engine which started after two attempts.


Let the car with my friend who got the interiors cleaned and the mechanic got a check up done as well. The car is running normally, no issues.

So I doubt what the Honda A.S.S is saying. You might want to et it done at an FNG itself.

Hope this helps
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