Suggestions for printers

thoma · 17th January 2013, 20:07

I don't know a thing about laser printers. From the above posts, I understand that laser printers are good for the occasional-print-requirement as the ink does not dry up. I have had 3 inkjet printers till now, all of them from HP, and have issues with dried up cartridges. It seems ridiculous to fish out 1200/- for the occasional print-job.

Can anyone explain or guide me to an article which explains the running costs of a laser printer. I find from online shops that the laser printer's toner cartridge costs approx. 4k which can print approx. 2k sheets. Is it the toner cartridge alone that need to be changed when the ink finishes? So, after the initial costs, the cost comes approx. to 2/- per page, right? Ignoring power and paper charges, of course.

LOKSIN · 18th January 2013, 16:13

@Thoma

All cartridges whether they are of entry level basic printers or entry level All in ones, cost around 4000/- plus or minus a few hundreds, but all cartridges do not give 2000 prints, hence your calculation of Rs. 2/- per print does not hold good

HP q2612a/canon ep303 - 2000-2200 prints
Hp 88a/36a/35a/278a - 1100 prints
Samsung 3201/3401/1666/1640- 900 prints

You can refill these cartridges to proportionately reduce prices, alternatively you can buy compatible cartridges, if in case you damage your original cartridge so as to make it unrefillable

@ Maverick

Please dont touch Samsung Printers, I have suffered a lot, dont want you to, You wont even find a buyer for this junk, if you plan to sell it after some months, which Iam sure you would

9thsphinx · 21st January 2013, 15:53

Ordered the Canon Pixma - MP287 Printer from Flipkart. Not a bad deal for Rs. 3415/- shipped. Comes with a stock black and color cartridge.

It's a no-nonsense printer. I use it once a week to print a couple pages and it does the job. The color reproduction is 4/5 and the printing speed is pretty decent as well. It's a bit noisy, but there is a setting for silent printing. The scanning is pretty accurate and the copying facility works pretty well too - copying can be done without hooking up your laptop.

Here's a link for whoever's interested:

http://www.flipkart.com/canon-pixma-...20-%20MP%20287

sbala · 21st January 2013, 17:02

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Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

Ordered the Canon Pixma - MP287 Printer from Flipkart. Not a bad deal for Rs. 3415/- shipped. Comes with a stock black and color cartridge.

It's a no-nonsense printer. I use it once a week to print a couple pages and it does the job. The color reproduction is 4/5 and the printing speed is pretty decent as well. It's a bit noisy, but there is a setting for silent printing. The scanning is pretty accurate and the copying facility works pretty well too - copying can be done without hooking up your laptop.

Here's a link for whoever's interested:

http://www.flipkart.com/canon-pixma-...20-%20MP%20287

How about the cartridges price? High price of cartridges is predominantly mentioned in the reviews and this is the only -ve. How about HP pricing? Any idea?

LOKSIN · 21st January 2013, 17:05

@9thsphinx

The Problem with Canon Inkjet Printers or as a matter of fact any Inkjet is the cost of the cartridge, the canon Pixma, a set of colour and black cartridges would be almost 60-70 % the cost of the printer.

@sbala

Depends on the model of HP printer you are considering, some of the HP printers were cartridges are priced @449/- etc, dont give much prints, as a matter of fact one should avoid inkjets and only go in for Laser's, inital cost may be a little high but its a matter of 2 or 3 refills, you would recover the difference.

Best Basic Laser Printers : HP 1020+ / Canon 2900B
All in one lase Printer : HP 1005

thoma · 21st January 2013, 17:33

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Originally Posted by LOKSIN

HP q2612a/canon ep303 - 2000-2200 prints
Hp 88a/36a/35a/278a - 1100 prints
Samsung 3201/3401/1666/1640- 900 prints

You can refill these cartridges to proportionately reduce prices

Thanks LOKSIN. That was informative. But could you please clarify if the refill is an authorized or unauthorized job? Will I get the cartridge refilled by the service center?

I have seen some of your previous posts recommending the Canon 2900B which runs on Canon 303 cartridge. In fact, I got the same printer recommended by the friendly-neighborhood-printing-store too.

LOKSIN · 21st January 2013, 18:52

@thoma,

No company recommends refilling of cartridges, as they make money in cartridges to a much larger extent than they do so by sellign printers. Refilling Cartridges is not illegal, hence you need not worry about that, only thing your warranty gets void if they come to know that you have used refilled cartridges, but dont worry, nothing goes wrong to your printer by using good quality refilled cartridges, and if you refill thrice, you save money to an extent that you can buy a new printer.

zwift1819 · 21st January 2013, 19:50

I have a HP laser jet 1007 and only 2 days back got the cartridge refilled for Rs350 that too job carried out at home. The guy said its a German ink refill but I doubt it to be some Chinese ink for sure. Very professional service carried out, what's more done right in front of me so no risk of drum or cartridge being changed!

9thsphinx · 22nd January 2013, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbala

How about the cartridges price? High price of cartridges is predominantly mentioned in the reviews and this is the only -ve. How about HP pricing? Any idea?

That has always been the negative for inkjet printers - the cartridge price. But ofcourse, there have been options. Instead of getting a new cartridge you can always choose to refill it for 1/4th of the cost of the a new cartridge. Not only does your local printer and PC repair shop can do the refill for you, there have been professional Refill shops (in some 100+ cities) that you can go to.

Here's the link

http://www.re-feel.in/

Inkjet printers are cheap and if you don't have a lot of printing to do, and with third-party refills, they definitely make more sense over laserjets. It's the same concept as to why a petrol car makes more sense over diesel

Have used HP's in the past. Canon quality is definitely better!

LOKSIN · 22nd January 2013, 09:52

^^^

The Rates charged by you are resonable, as a rule of thumb, drum should be changed after every 2 cycles of refills. apart from that there are 2 blades, doctor and wiper blades, a primary charge roller (PCR) and a magnetic roller (MR), these have to changed as when they wear out.

There are no german powders, all the powders come from either china or taiwan, these powders are pretty good, but some of the guys doing refills mix it with burnt powders to increase thier profit.

In Pune, I get my cartridges refilled from a guy near Sangam Bridge RTO, If I dont mistake its Deepak Brothers or Deepak Traders, they do a good proffessional job, they have a machine, for cleaning the cartridge, the cartridges Iam told are opened only to extent needed as the machine cleans even those spots where normally a finger or vaccum pressure does not reach, thus the cartridges dont get loosened up because of frequent opening and closing of screws.

sbala · 22nd January 2013, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

That has always been the negative for inkjet printers - the cartridge price. But ofcourse, there have been options. Instead of getting a new cartridge you can always choose to refill it for 1/4th of the cost of the a new cartridge. Not only does your local printer and PC repair shop can do the refill for you, there have been professional Refill shops (in some 100+ cities) that you can go to.

Here's the link

http://www.re-feel.in/

Inkjet printers are cheap and if you don't have a lot of printing to do, and with third-party refills, they definitely make more sense over laserjets. It's the same concept as to why a petrol car makes more sense over diesel

Have used HP's in the past. Canon quality is definitely better!

Make sense and perfectly fits for my use case. Might buy one for getting my son's school assignment printed at home. Thanks...

LOKSIN · 22nd January 2013, 11:01

@9thsphinx

Inkjet cartridges cannot be refilled for a long time, at the most 2 or 3 refills, canon not more than 1 times, after some time these cartridges stop sensing on the printer, then you have to replace them , it is that time one realises the cost he is incurring. Compatible cartridges also do not give good results, most of these compatible cartridges are nothing but refiiled carttridges packed in fancy boxes,

@sbala

Inkjets are peculiar, if your printing is less, the cartridges tend to dry up fast, dry cartridges are not refillable and if your print more, you wish you had bought a economical printer, so think before you take the plunge

thoma · 22nd January 2013, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

Inkjet printers are cheap and if you don't have a lot of printing to do, and with third-party refills, they definitely make more sense over laserjets.

Oh no! Not an inkjet for me any more. I have very occasional printing jobs and I find most of the time the ink getting dried up due to non-usage. And the last time I tried refilling, the ink quality was so bad that the cartridge was leaking and almost all of the refill disappeared! I doubt if any spilling might have spoiled the printer too. Browse a few pages back on this thread and you get to see similar testimonies on the inkjet printer.

sinhead · 22nd January 2013, 11:53

I will NEVER buy or recommend inkjet printer to anyone. The same issues - ink dries up and cartridges are too expensive. A friend has had issues with leaking cartridges in case of refilled ones. I have never tried a refilled cartridge yet.
I am using a basic Hp all in one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

Here's the link

http://www.re-feel.in/

Thanks for this link bro. One last chance with a refilled cartridge before I throw away this inkjet nuisance

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LOKSIN · 22nd January 2013, 13:43

Just checked up with my Cartridge Refiller, for guidance to all.

HP 88a/36a/35a/278a/ Canon 925 - Capacity 80gms Toner powder, if its a starter cartridge (the one which comes with the printer) only 55gms of powder should be put, otherwise you will get light prints

HP Q2612A/FX9 / CANON EP303/103- Capacity 120gm toner powder

Approx cost

Refilling : Rs. 350
Drums : Rs. 250 to 350
Blades : Rs. 75 to 100
PCRs : Rs. 150 - 175
MRs : Rs 175 - 200

chips for 88a/36a etc Rs. 100
Side springs/ bushes : generally done free of cost

17th January 2013, 20:07	#136
thoma Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kerala Posts: 2,010 Thanked: 1,486 Times View My Garage	re: Suggestions for printers I don't know a thing about laser printers. From the above posts, I understand that laser printers are good for the occasional-print-requirement as the ink does not dry up. I have had 3 inkjet printers till now, all of them from HP, and have issues with dried up cartridges. It seems ridiculous to fish out 1200/- for the occasional print-job. Can anyone explain or guide me to an article which explains the running costs of a laser printer. I find from online shops that the laser printer's toner cartridge costs approx. 4k which can print approx. 2k sheets. Is it the toner cartridge alone that need to be changed when the ink finishes? So, after the initial costs, the cost comes approx. to 2/- per page, right? Ignoring power and paper charges, of course.
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18th January 2013, 16:13	#137
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	@Thoma All cartridges whether they are of entry level basic printers or entry level All in ones, cost around 4000/- plus or minus a few hundreds, but all cartridges do not give 2000 prints, hence your calculation of Rs. 2/- per print does not hold good HP q2612a/canon ep303 - 2000-2200 prints Hp 88a/36a/35a/278a - 1100 prints Samsung 3201/3401/1666/1640- 900 prints You can refill these cartridges to proportionately reduce prices, alternatively you can buy compatible cartridges, if in case you damage your original cartridge so as to make it unrefillable @ Maverick Please dont touch Samsung Printers, I have suffered a lot, dont want you to, You wont even find a buyer for this junk, if you plan to sell it after some months, which Iam sure you would Last edited by Eddy : 21st January 2013 at 17:22. Reason: Please use the edit / multiquote option instead of posting back to back posts within 30 mins on the same thread. Thanks.
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21st January 2013, 15:53	#138
9thsphinx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 1,121 Thanked: 549 Times View My Garage	re: Suggestions for printers Ordered the Canon Pixma - MP287 Printer from Flipkart. Not a bad deal for Rs. 3415/- shipped. Comes with a stock black and color cartridge. It's a no-nonsense printer. I use it once a week to print a couple pages and it does the job. The color reproduction is 4/5 and the printing speed is pretty decent as well. It's a bit noisy, but there is a setting for silent printing. The scanning is pretty accurate and the copying facility works pretty well too - copying can be done without hooking up your laptop. Here's a link for whoever's interested: http://www.flipkart.com/canon-pixma-...20-%20MP%20287
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21st January 2013, 17:05	#140
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	@9thsphinx The Problem with Canon Inkjet Printers or as a matter of fact any Inkjet is the cost of the cartridge, the canon Pixma, a set of colour and black cartridges would be almost 60-70 % the cost of the printer. @sbala Depends on the model of HP printer you are considering, some of the HP printers were cartridges are priced @449/- etc, dont give much prints, as a matter of fact one should avoid inkjets and only go in for Laser's, inital cost may be a little high but its a matter of 2 or 3 refills, you would recover the difference. Best Basic Laser Printers : HP 1020+ / Canon 2900B All in one lase Printer : HP 1005 Last edited by LOKSIN : 21st January 2013 at 17:31.
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21st January 2013, 18:52	#142
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	re: Suggestions for printers @thoma, No company recommends refilling of cartridges, as they make money in cartridges to a much larger extent than they do so by sellign printers. Refilling Cartridges is not illegal, hence you need not worry about that, only thing your warranty gets void if they come to know that you have used refilled cartridges, but dont worry, nothing goes wrong to your printer by using good quality refilled cartridges, and if you refill thrice, you save money to an extent that you can buy a new printer.
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21st January 2013, 19:50	#143
zwift1819 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Chennai Posts: 170 Thanked: 34 Times	I have a HP laser jet 1007 and only 2 days back got the cartridge refilled for Rs350 that too job carried out at home. The guy said its a German ink refill but I doubt it to be some Chinese ink for sure. Very professional service carried out, what's more done right in front of me so no risk of drum or cartridge being changed!
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22nd January 2013, 09:52	#145
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	re: Suggestions for printers ^^^ The Rates charged by you are resonable, as a rule of thumb, drum should be changed after every 2 cycles of refills. apart from that there are 2 blades, doctor and wiper blades, a primary charge roller (PCR) and a magnetic roller (MR), these have to changed as when they wear out. There are no german powders, all the powders come from either china or taiwan, these powders are pretty good, but some of the guys doing refills mix it with burnt powders to increase thier profit. In Pune, I get my cartridges refilled from a guy near Sangam Bridge RTO, If I dont mistake its Deepak Brothers or Deepak Traders, they do a good proffessional job, they have a machine, for cleaning the cartridge, the cartridges Iam told are opened only to extent needed as the machine cleans even those spots where normally a finger or vaccum pressure does not reach, thus the cartridges dont get loosened up because of frequent opening and closing of screws.
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22nd January 2013, 11:01	#147
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	re: Suggestions for printers @9thsphinx Inkjet cartridges cannot be refilled for a long time, at the most 2 or 3 refills, canon not more than 1 times, after some time these cartridges stop sensing on the printer, then you have to replace them , it is that time one realises the cost he is incurring. Compatible cartridges also do not give good results, most of these compatible cartridges are nothing but refiiled carttridges packed in fancy boxes, @sbala Inkjets are peculiar, if your printing is less, the cartridges tend to dry up fast, dry cartridges are not refillable and if your print more, you wish you had bought a economical printer, so think before you take the plunge
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22nd January 2013, 13:43	#150
LOKSIN Newbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PUNE Posts: 18 Thanked: 4 Times	re: Suggestions for printers Just checked up with my Cartridge Refiller, for guidance to all. HP 88a/36a/35a/278a/ Canon 925 - Capacity 80gms Toner powder, if its a starter cartridge (the one which comes with the printer) only 55gms of powder should be put, otherwise you will get light prints HP Q2612A/FX9 / CANON EP303/103- Capacity 120gm toner powder Approx cost Refilling : Rs. 350 Drums : Rs. 250 to 350 Blades : Rs. 75 to 100 PCRs : Rs. 150 - 175 MRs : Rs 175 - 200 chips for 88a/36a etc Rs. 100 Side springs/ bushes : generally done free of cost Last edited by LOKSIN : 22nd January 2013 at 13:46.
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