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Originally Posted by locusjag Why are people after Mahindra for "copying" designs?
Mahindra and Fiat Chrysler have both manufactured Jeeps - Mahindra did so under a license from Wilys Overland and Fiat Chrysler did so after buying the Wilys Overland operations and brand. Mahindra has actually manufactured jeeps for far longer than Fiat Chrysler has!
It is not as if Fiat Chrysler came up with the original jeep - it was Wilys Overland that did it, the former only acquired the latter. Fiat has itself been copying the World War 2 era jeep design and replicating it in its products, more so in its Jeep Wrangler product as an atavistic design element.
So, tell me again why you want to criticize Mahindra's efforts? |
This is a strawman argument that has no logical underpinnings. FCA bought and own the Jeep brand and in doing so bought and own the intellectual property rights over their designs. They cannot "copy" something that they own.
Mahindra has the license to manufacture only the original Willys jeep, not modern day Wranglers. Their "efforts" can be rightfully criticized.
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Originally Posted by cool_dube [*]Copy of the Wrangler, eh? So what? There is only as much you can play around with the classic "jeep" design (notice the lower case "j") without deviating from the essence of it. M&M has done a fabulous job at giving us enthusiasts a good-looking, practical vehicle while retaining the off-road DNA of a jeep - look at those approach, departure, and ramp-break-over angles. Great job done!
While we can continue to bash M&M for being copy-cats, unethical, and what not, all that matters is that we Indians have been given this wonderful "MADE IN INDIA WITH PRIDE" option of owning a lifestyle vehicle with almost everything that was being done as "mods" to make it more livable, now coming as OE!
Kudos to M&M! |
'So what if it's a copy of a Wrangler?' I would love to hear that argument if someone were to rip off your invention/design/hardwork for their own personal gain, at your own personal loss. It's easy to say "so what" when you aren't the one who's at the receiving end of the stick.
If you or others feel pride that an Indian company unethically copied a car and that it's "MADE IN INDIA" then all I can say is that we have different benchmarks for what we conside pride worthy.
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Originally Posted by IntoTheStorm Exactly my thoughts! There is ONLY so much one can do with original design! Making a boxy thar slighly curvy will make it look like a wrangler!
If you make it too different I dont think people will Be as much interested in New Thar as they do now! |
List of examples of how you can make a "jeep" type vehicle and not having it look EXACTLY like a Wrangler:
1. Land Rover Defender
2. Ford Bronco
3. Suzuki Jimny
4. Mercedes G Wagon
5. Toyota FJ Cruiser
6. Toyota Landcruiser
7. Suzuki Samurai/Gypsy
The list goes on. This opinion that it is inevitable to end up with a Wrangler design if one tries to make a modern day "jeep" type vehicle has been voiced in this thread multiple times. People are either making excuses in the face of this list of clear evidence to the contrary, or completely unaware that these cars exist.
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Originally Posted by Kosfactor The 2020 Thar can be claimed as a design evolution of their own designed Jeep variant - The Mahindra Thar CRDe. Any resemblance to Wrangler can be claimed as a coincidence or deliberately done as a payback for ROXOR (continues to sell with an Armada like grill) lawsuit in the US, why should the company that has made Jeeps the longest and is known for making them (as well as tractors) go elsewhere in terms of design. |
Perhaps to the casual observer, it may sound feasible to make this argument, that any resemblance of the new Thar to the Wrangler can be claimed as a coincidence. I'm willing to bet most people making this argument have never seen or sat in a Wrangler JK or JL model. And certainly nobody making this claim has spent a significant amount of time familiarizing themselves with the Wrangler.
The sheer number and style of similarities is so overwhelming that it is basically impossible to believe that any coicidence took place. There is absolutely no way on Earth that Mahindra could have ended up with this design (interior and exterior) without directly copying or reverse engineering the modern day Wrangler.
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Originally Posted by locusjag Fiat Chrysler and Mahindra are both copying the iconic Wilys jeep. There's no room to point out Mahindra without pointing out FCA. Let's talk when FCA rolls out a Wrangler that is without any reference to the WW2 era Wily's jeep's design language. |
As mentioned in my point above, FCA cannot, by definition, be copying IP that they OWN when they make a Wrangler.
And furthermore, nobody is arguing that the new Thar is an unlawful copy of the Willys Jeep. The new Thar is a copy of the modern day Wrangler JK + JL models. They did not arrive at this design merely by evolving their old Thar design or the Willys Jeep design. They took a modern day Wrangler, worked it in and out, and replicated everything they could.
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Originally Posted by raj_5004 In fact, most of the Westerners have a positive reaction on the 2020 Thar and really do not have any qualms over the styling.
Surprisingly, many Indians have an issue and even gone to the extent of comparing our second largest auto manufacturer with Chinese companies. But that is expected, we love to ridicule our own. No offence to anyone. |
Mahindra are being rightfully compared to Chinese companies. I don't see this being an extreme comparison. Their actions here are equivalent to Chinese copycat companies.
Who cares what "most westerners" think? Since when is the opinion of "most westerners" a benchmark or standard by which we measure or temper our own thoughts and reactions?
Maybe people here hold their own local companies to a higher standard than others hold them to? The same way you are more critical of your children's behavior/actions than other random kids.