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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review Quote:
I agree about sudden drop in peak torque. I will post the power-torque graph of 1.6 multijet engine. 320 NM torque drops steeply post peak. But if you observe, 1.6 makes much more torque than 1.3 multijet. 1.6 produces 200 NM even at 4000 RPM (200 NM is the peak torque for 1.3). 1.6 engine is a gem, but it could have been made much more better by holding the peak torque for longer revv band. I am planning to do the same through remap. Last edited by Dr.Naren : 16th August 2016 at 14:18. | |
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As you said , the 100 -120 comes up pretty soon on the 1.6 . After that it takes long enough . As long as it takes for a punto with 200 NM torque . What I have realised is that the 1.3 and the 1.6 do not have much of a difference except for a hint of higher torque at a narrow power band . Quote:
I do not think that the suspension setup is the best ..period . The suspension set up is in a no-mans land . Neither here nor there . My Mom would be a better person as a judge . She just dreads sitting in the back seat of the S-cross . She is happy sitting in the backseat of a wagon R /Punto /Figo /Etios . I am not comparing Creta . Creta is not a benchmark . I would say Figo or a punto /linea /vento rapid would be the benchmark . Quote:
My reasons for buying the S-cross were as follows 1. VFM compared to an I20 hyundai . I get more power , bigger car /better features and the 1.3 S-cross is very closely priced to an I20 . I never had the creta as a comparision . 2. My drives are mainly during the night times . Unfortunately , after the S-cross was bought I have been doing day time trips . I prefer driving at nights when there is less of traffic so that I can maintain my mental equillibrium , else I end up screaming at each driver who drives irrational . 3 . The peak torque on my other cars is 200 NM max on the punto . It is lower on the figo , etios . I tend to do speeds over 100 km/hr, so that I have a good average speed and I do not feel like an idiot for not taking the volvo bus to reach earlier . 4. The other smaller cars tend to return a very low fuel efficiency if they are driven at higher speeds . At 80-90 they return much better fuel averages . On the 1.6 I guessed that the maximum efficiency would be at 100+ KM /Hr due to a 6 speed gearbox . It seems that it is true . I still get 18-19 while for the same speed on a figo /punto I would be getting around 15 Km/hr . Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:30. Reason: Removed high-speed references | |||
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review Quote:
I am not encouraging high speed driving. I had just tested the car under safe conditions (Road closed for public) Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:32. Reason: Edited high-speed references | |
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As you mentioned earlier, I too observed fishtailing. But, when I saw the needle, I was not surprised. At that point I was unhappy with my car cursing the tyres and suspension, but then I realized the purpose of this car. To each his own. If you are really not happy with so many things, then look for other options or rather try to adopt or somehow try to make it better. If you ask me, I would say 6000 km is a very low mileage to come to a conclusion. Give it some more time, work with Maruti guys to solve issues and things will get better. This time on bangalore-chennai highway I marked large boards mentioning the speed limits for all vehicles and the fine for not adhering to them. For cars the max legal speed is 100 kmph and the fine starts from 2000 rupees Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:37. Reason: Edited high-speed references from quoted post | |
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| Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review Hello friends. Just back from treacherous drive on Mumbai-Alibaug route over long weekend. Trust me even small villages roads might be better. We were 5 people in car and loaded with luggage of 3 days. It is quite smooth on potholes even in deep potholes as per my experience. 5 hours for 110 kms and yet I was perfectly fine with not even iota of backache. Average of 15 on such roads was commendable. Over all very happy and pleasant experience on most unpleasant roads. ![]() Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:39. Reason: Multiple grammar mistakes |
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On a hilly twisty road with patches of straight roads , I am sure one would experience more than frequent gearshifts .As far as I am concerned , there is nothing to die for in the S-cross or the 1.6 engine . If one is interested in the S-cross then it has to be the 1.6 and not the 1.3 for sure . As I mentioned earlier with regard to suspension or steering feedback or engine performance , we need to take cars below 12-15 lakhs under consideration . For example the Tata Safari storme has more space , 4 wheel disc brakes and it costs similar to the S-cross . I think people are just comparing the S-cross to Creta and coming up with the rosy side of S-cross and on paper 320NM . Yes, I am trying to get the suspension issue resolved . If you go through my previous posts I have been looking up at suspension parts of the S-cross from other countries . I strongly believe at this point of time that the suspension components that are made in India are the cause of the issue . I have searched the internet for the past 2-3 months to get the part nos and I think I finally have the parts codes . Why am i raising it here ?because I do not want someone to believe that the suspension is really good and have a huge surprise in the form of an accident . Many previous posts from others have confirmed that there is fishtailing and I am trying to get to the root of the problem . The max legal speed of 100km/hr is ambiguous again . For a santro ,nano , alto , it definitely is not safe . Especially with cars that still have tubes in the tyres . So it all boils down to what car , road , traffic , visibility ,response time and brakes . Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:47. Reason: Edited high-speed reference from quoted posts | ||
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Also no manufacturer would give peak torque across the revv band. When they claim power and torque figures, it's the peak power and torque. Few engines maintain peak torque for longer revv band like my grand i10. Posting the pic!! Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:49. Reason: Edited high-speed reference from quoted post | ||
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Coming to the speed limit, well there is a rationale behind this. Even in USA it's mostly 100-110 kmph at max and even lower at nights. What you are saying is it's better to smoke and die with heart attack , because you might also get a heart attack even without smoking ![]() No offense intended. | |
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My older elantra with 250NM torque is infinitely more driveable , more relaxing . Blame it on the 2.0 liter engine . The torque curve is a lot flatter and power delivery is much much better . Last edited by greatmana2000 : 16th August 2016 at 20:06. | ||
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| Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review Quote:
But it is the hills/sudden acceleration and deceleration traffic situation that is bothersome. I guess it's not my cup of tea to find a sweet spot in such a situation. Let's take a scenario on hilly roads. Suppose the maximum speed you can reach is 35-40 km/hr. And due to erratic traffic on single lane curvy roads you are supposed to bring the car to near 0 speed many a times. How do you find the sweet spot in such a situation especially when the steep inclines always need you to be in power band? Keep revving the car in 2nd gear? Your answer might help me resolve a huge pain point. Thanks in advance. Last edited by ank.nsit : 16th August 2016 at 20:35. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review @greatmana2000: I am not arguing 1.6 has flat torque curve. I too agree that peak torque falls very steeply. What I am trying to highlight is even with steep drop in torque, it produces 250 NM at 3500 RPM. Peak torque of other 1.6 engines is just 250 NM in turbo zone. From the 1.6 multijet engine graph, 320 NM : 1700 to 2000 RPM 275 NM : 3000 RPM 250 NM : 3500 RPM 200 NM : 4000 RPM 1.6 is way ahead of competition in terms of torque. It's just a psychological feeling about power drop. Torque builds up very quickly and falls down steeply in 1.6. But my point is you can't term 1.6 underpowered/slow because of this. Also 1.3 Punto won't accelerate faster than 1.6 S-Cross for sure. Last edited by Dr.Naren : 16th August 2016 at 21:19. |
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I met with an accident last year precisely because of what you have posted . I was doing around 30-40 kms and the car was in 3 rd gear . I had to do a sudden stop and go , even though I had downshifted to the 1st gear , the car would still not accelerate since technically it was not in the power band and I had to go through a corner . I was left with no time to maneuver the car and the jeep coming opposite crashed on my car . It was a 1.3 punto MJD . One such single lane traffic road is the notorious Banglore - chittor -chennai road . It is got some hills en route as well . At one point of time you are doing 100 km/hr and the next instant you are at near 0 . Given the huge no of turns and the single lane , for most of the journey one ends up working the gears for the whole length of the journey . It gets pretty tiresome . Quote:
Also , 900 RPM to 1700 RPM is the most used torque band as well as 1700 -3000 RPM . A competent driver has to make sure that the car is in between those power bands and that is real hard work for a relaxed cruising vehicle . Mod Note : Please use the EDIT or MULTI-QUOTE buttons instead of typing one post after another on the SAME THREAD! Last edited by SDP : 16th August 2016 at 22:52. Reason: Merging back to back posts | ||
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Let the discussion continue. ![]() Edit : VW 1.6 is Petrol one. Last edited by Sree73 : 16th August 2016 at 22:08. Reason: Clarification. | |
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At the same time, I am saying that 1.6 has lots of torque across the revv band compared to competition. I dont agree about both 1.3 and 1.6 taking long time to accelerate from 120+. I drive a remapped 1.3 and stock 1.6. My S-Cross feels way faster than remapped 1.3 SX4. It picks up speed effortlessly. Just make sure you are above 1700 RPM, 1.6 would pull very sweetly with just a tap on accelerator pedal. Quote:
![]() I have driven many diesel cars and few engines which were really addictive were in 1. BMW 530 D 2. BMW 320 D 3. Cruze (Old) 4. 1.6 S-Cross 5. 1.6 Vento/Rapid Last edited by SDP : 17th August 2016 at 08:57. Reason: Edited high-speed reference | ||
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: Maruti S-Cross : Official Review I believe it is widely accepted that the 1.6 DDiS 320 is not the most tractable of motors out there. No one is arguing otherwise and there is thus no point in concluding so. What Dr.Naren points out however, is interesting. While the motor might produce significantly less torque post peak delivery, it is still producing more than its competition. Therefore, when someone says that post 100kph their S-Cross takes the same time to accelerate as their Punto 1.3, I have no qualms in calling BS; either that person is not experienced enough to distinguish between outright acceleration and in-gear acceleration, or they are allowing the psychological effect of the moody torque delivery, to get in the way of the actual truth. Quote:
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