While I agree with most of the BHP-ians here that S-Cross DDiS 320 is terribly overpriced - at least by a lakh. That is what makes an overpriced Creta look VFM. Creta was and is not VFM, just that it appears to be in front of the S-Cross.
IMO, even DDiS 200 is slightly overpriced for what it offers. However, if we compare it to the Creta 1.4 CRDi, it is terrific VFM.
But make no mistake, S-Cross is a VERY good machine in both the engine avatars. I have seen a lot of Ertiga owners very happy with the way their car behaves even with 6 on-board on highways and ghats also. It is definitely not a power plant, but adequate for a normal driver. So, I am sure a lighter S-Cross will perform better or at worst as well as Ertiga. That should be good enough for a mango man. Plot twist
: Maruti and Hyundai top executives had a meeting some time mid July. Hyundai guy says "I want to sell the 1.6 CRDi version well at any cost, 1.4 CRDi go to any hell, I dont care.". Maruti guy gives a sigh of relief and says "Thank God, I in fact don't want to sell the DDiS 320 at all. I just want to sell my DDiS 200. Let the Indians rot with their puny national engine". They hatch a plan to make each other's money minting variants appear VFM inn front of the competition. Thus they decide to price the vehicles to what we see today. Hope I do not need to specially say that this is a fragment of my imagination.
Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek
@ Vigkey : Sorry Mate I have to part my ways too. The Punto Abarth in MATTE finish looks good though if you are willing to wait.
No Punto for me. Back seat is cramped. Most of my long drives will have my parents in the rear seat and I want them to be absolutely comfortable. That is the reason I have ONLY been checking out cars with a good rear bench + leg room + knee room. I never considered Ertiga though.
Originally Posted by ACM
9.99L for the Zeta 1.3 seems to be the one that they got right mainly for Bangalore customers to keep below 10L.
Till I saw the screenshots a little while ago, I never believed the Zeta variant will be priced 9.99 L ex-Bangalore. But wouldn't that be considered illegal? How can a vehicle coming out of the same factory have the same ex-showroom price in different states with different tax rates? Effectively, that would mean either the ex-factory prices are given inaccurately or Maruti is absorbing some amount of the ex-showroom price. I think Honda got fined for a similar price cut for the last iteration of Jazz. Anyone looking to get Zeta should get it ASAP before the legalities comes in and forces a price revision.
Originally Posted by sandygordon
Now. What to do?
Should I buy a DDIS 200 @ 13L OTR?
or Go for the Creta 1.4 sx+ (14.6L OTR)
or Look at the Duster RXZ with 50 k discount (14L OTR)
When it comes to Creta 1.4 CRDi vs S-Cross DDiS 200 - it definitely has to be S-Cross. It offers MUCH more for a lesser price. Only the engine is less torquey. In all other aspects S-Cross wins hands down.
Originally Posted by OwnersPride
On a serious note, I would like to believe MSIL had set targets on garnering volumes for DDiS200 only right from the beginning.
Wasn't that VERY VERY clear? Anyone who experienced the Nexa can vouch for that. Anyone who talks about the bigger engine to the RM, gets a blunt answer that it will be expensive and will cross 15 lakhs. DDiS 320 was always meant to be a halo product which can be used to project the power and torque figures in the ads. Thats all. Seeing the pricing it is very clear that they do not intend to sell that variant much. At the maximum, it will get 10% of the total sales of S-Cross.
Originally Posted by nkghai
I do not think we are the only ones in shock
The relationship manager in the Nexa showrooms also must be now wondering how to convince customers.
My RM had promised to call me post noon on launch day to discuss on the test drive times and to confirm my booking based on the launch prices. He also added that I will have to wait till Thursday morning to get the exact Bangalore prices. Now, it is almost 2 days since launch and I have not got any sort of communication from him. I am sure every RMs are in utter shock and are literally afraid to face their customers. They were the ones who promised a <10 L for DDiS 200 Alpha and coaxed them to go for the booking.
Originally Posted by Vid6639
Not exactly. The only thing the S-cross has extra over the Creta is xenon lights, auto lights and wipers and 4 wheel disc brakes.
In comparison the Creta for 14K lesser has 6 airbags, ESP, hill hold and rear AC vents.
I would rate the above features in Creta higher than the xenons and auto wipers/lights.
Not really Vidyut, S-Cross also gets immensely useful Cruise Control, telescopic steering (I was not convinced with this feature, you were the one who convinced me
), auto-dimming IRVMs, sliding arm rest and a more detailed MID. S-Cross also gets soft-touch dash adding to premium feel and the engine (DDiS 320) is also special. I like all black interiors compared to beige black. One reason I prefer Jazz over i20 and S-Cross over Creta - but that is a personal opinion.
Now, to be very fair, S-Cross and Creta are equally matched in features and premiumness. In fact Creta is safer with 6 airbags and ESP, S-Cross has more utility features and bling features. Where S-Cross lost the plot is by pricing it over Creta. If S-Cross was 50k less than Creta, I would have considered the S-Cross DDiS 320 as the most VFM Crossover.
Originally Posted by jaibir
Bangalore Ex Showroom price from my Nexa RM. Note the just below Rs10l price for the DDIS 200 Zeta to avoid the high road tax slab.
This is really amazing. Zeta is priced <45k over Delta for ALL the features it offers and Alpha <110k over Zeta for very few extra features it offers. But as I posted LONG back, Zeta variant of DDiS 200 has indeed turned out to be the most VFM S-Cross, at least in Bangalore.
Originally Posted by a4anurag
Isn't the S-Cross only being sold with Diesel variants? What on earth is the Spark Plug doing as an Offical NEXA Part (Similar to MGP)?
Biggest blunder in the very user-unfriendly website of Nexa. I think this is a question we should ask our RM to test his actual knowledge
Originally Posted by Vid6639
It looks like someone has realised the Karnataka road tax slabs at Nexa. The ex-showroom tag of 9.99L ex-showroom Delhi has been somehow carried over to Bangalore and this really makes a huge impact to the on road price of the Zeta DDiS200.
Thanks to the ex-showroom remaining same from Delhi, the on road price of the Zeta DDiS200 in Bangalore is 11.99L. This is really really good VFM.
The Zeta DDiS 200 gets even more features than the DDiS320 Zeta. You do lose leather and xenons as the biggest miss but even then it is fairly well equipped.
Credit where it's due. The Zeta DDiS200 is a very very good option for those looking for the DDiS200 in the first place. Thanks to the sub 10L exshowroom tag, the on road price is 2lakhs lesser than the Alpha.
If you are looking at the lower Titanium spec of the Ecosport at 12.6L vs the Zeta DDiS 200, the S-cross comes as a better option for sure.
Oh Yes, this comes as a slight relief as I was considering of cancelling by booking even without a test-drive. Now, I will at least take a TD. Just this evening, I was telling my wife that the S-Cross is well out of our reach and even the Zeta will not be VFM for us. But then, that was based on the assumption that ex-Bangalore price will be >10L.
However, I feel a lot of premiumness will be robbed off the S-Cross in the Zeta variant. The plain headlamps, fabric seats, no padding in central armrest and the door armrest are still downers. Any clue on how much the HID projector setup might cost, if I choose to get it from Maruti? That is something I loved in the Alpha variant.
P.S. Sorry for the Looooong post. I had a busy day at office and found over 10 pages in this thread. Went through each and every post and finally decided to post my thoughts as well.