Re: XUV500: Severe crash, but not a single airbag deployed (driver injured) Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbanator Sorry, but I am not able to understand. If you were not aware who is this guy then why were you looking particularly for him? |
I had interacted with him earlier and based on that knew he is an industry insider. I also knew part of his credentials from previous interactions. I wanted to share the conversation with him as-is without anything being reworded. So rather than assuming his credentials or stating something generic like "industry expert", I asked him specifically. I already knew about his ARAI association, but wanted the complete thing. Quote:
I am no expert in this but the other so referred expert should have first seen the vehicle before making such a claim that the severity of crash was not much.
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Except Arvind, how many contributors of this thread have actually "seen" the vehicle? That hasn't stopped us from entertaining their comments and even outlandish conclusions. So why apply a different yardstick to Sanjeev? All his comments are high-level visual observations anyways for which pics and accident description should suffice. Quote:
Originally Posted by roy_libran Sorry SDP - With due respect to you, I must concede that I too am not convinced by either, your post, or your friend!
I have two contentions why-
1. When I or anyone buys an Airbag equipped vehicle, the underlying expectation is that the Airbag would deploy in a severe accident - Period!
If none out of the 6 air-bags thought it worth their while, to deploy in such an accident, because the manufacturer (perhaps) wanted the impact to happen in a certain way, then I believe that the malaise actually runs deeper because as consumers we are being misled by all the advertising and feature lists, all of which leads to better profit margins.
By the way, in my very first post on this thread, I had also conceded that it would possibly be understandable if the front airbags did not deploy in this incident, but absolutely NOT the side and curtain ones. |
I will need time to address this. Will get back soon. Quote:
2. After spending close to 15 years myself in the IT sector, I am wont to doubt the credibility of anyone who had to gravitate from the automobile sector to the IT sector for employment. I don't know the gentleman in question, and this doubt may be unfounded, but that IT PROGRAM MANAGEMENT stuck out like a Red Herring.
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I really don't know how to react to this.
Let me understand this again - you are challenging the credibility of someone with ACTUAL auto-industry experience specific to crash-testing because today he is a different field? At the same time, you are able to accept all the expert opinions on this thread from members who have no real experience about crash-testing or airbags. I don't know what you say. Quote:
Originally Posted by Biraj ...
Some random unknown expert is being asked for his opinion and that opinion is being shared here ... |
The credentials of the "random unknown expert" have been shared. If you would rather hear opinions/perceptions/biases/prejudices of other people with no credentials, its your call. Quote:
If one is a bona fide expert on the topic then she/he should make an official or formal statement. Such an ambiguous and almost anonymous response is nothing but red herring.
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Neither he nor me have claimed that he is an expert. I have just shared his credentials. He hasn't got anything to do with this case. He has shared his insights and high level observations based on a specific request by me. If you have read the conversation correctly, you would notice that he has mentioned that there is no entity/agency in India that can carry out a technical investigation. So neither he as individual or even ARAI can do a official investigation or formal statement. He has clearly pointed the first and the most severe points of impact and how they are far away from the airbag trigger zones. He has also pin-pointed to unbent crumple-zone bar in the driver side door and the impact at the center of the beam behind the front bumper. If that is ambiguous to you, cant help it. Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR ...
Can you please ask Sanjeev one more question:
What can be done NOW, to objectively find out facts, which rationalize why the airbags didn't deploy? This would help the owner, the members here and perhaps also the manufacturer. Since he has expertise & first hand experience in this field, he could suggest the best approach forward.
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He had already said that there is no entity/agency in India who can do justice to this investigation (if the manufacturer can not be trusted with the investigation). So we have to look outside India. Distinguished BHPian SS-Traveller has mentioned the same thing a few pages back and even given a few specific pointers to Arvind. A private investigation from overseas experts is not going to be cheap. Some agency has already quoted 2 lakhs if I remember correctly from one of Arvind's post itself.
Last edited by SDP : 10th August 2018 at 15:16.
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