All about diesel engine oils

Jaggu · 11th August 2009, 23:03

If you are very particular you can do a flush, otherwise drain the old oil completely and replace the filter before you fill the new oil. There is no written rule that one should flush the engine before regular interval oil change. Critical factor is how well the old oil is drained out.

greenhorn · 11th August 2009, 23:47

dooont do the flush! unless your engine has built up a LOT of dirt inside, let it be.

if you want, after draining the old oil, run the engine with a bit of the new oil, then drain that off, and then fill the new oil again - this time the required quantity.

my engine sounded horrible after the flush. dont do it unless you absolutely need to. have heard it damages the seals etc

Raccoon · 12th August 2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by Ketan

Thank you Raccoon,

As its specifically made for gearbox, I will go for it. I have recently bought Delo 400 10l bucket and once I have the gear oil, I should be ready for the next service..

I was using Delvec MX, Can someone tell me if I need to do a tank flush? I dont have much idea about it, I'm just going to tell GreenTrack guys to do it for me, but let me know if I have to instruct them something specific or take some special care while moving from one oil brand to another..

Delo and flush?? Dude, don't even consider flushing esp. since you are going to use Delo! Stay away from flushing even otherwise... LOL!!

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if you want, after draining the old oil, run the engine with a bit of the new oil, then drain that off, and then fill the new oil again - this time the required quantity.

greenhorn · 12th August 2009, 00:19

what i meant was, instead of using flush, use a little quantity of the new oil, and follow the same procedure !
just in case he was switching oil brands. This is advice i got elsewhere in this forum, not sure where

ph03n!x · 12th August 2009, 02:11

Getz CRDi owners- what engine oil do you use? Read good things about Mobile Delvac MX, any first-hand experiences?

Jaggu · 12th August 2009, 12:00

Hello when i said flush is not compulsory, it doesnt mean it will do harm! If done properly it will only do good and add some more life to the new oil. As far as harming seals and all are concerned, this happens mostly in very old engines where a sudden change of oil grade or flush happens.

If somebody does a flush job at 20k kms interval nothing harmful will happen!

ph03n!x: Go with Delvac MX its a good oil and should work well, people have tried in Crdi engines like verna and had good results.

sgiitk · 12th August 2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by nitrous

These Public Oil companies like IOC,BP,etc don't care about grades or quality.
Definitely not for the enthusiast.

Cannot agree more. Even though grades below API-SJ are now history mostly they are marketing obsolete stuff. I remember the recent ad by BP stating that they now have API-SG!

Also, if you check the so called Maruti Genuine Oil of IOC is only API-SC, while I think Maruti specifies SF/SG! Their Servo is mostly API-SF with the Hyundai & one high end label as SJ.

greenhorn · 12th August 2009, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Hello when i said flush is not compulsory, it doesnt mean it will do harm! If done properly it will only do good and add some more life to the new oil. As far as harming seals and all are concerned, this happens mostly in very old engines where a sudden change of oil grade or flush happens.

If somebody does a flush job at 20k kms interval nothing harmful will happen!

I've read the reverse. Flush on new engine not good, flush on old engine okay

Jaggu · 13th August 2009, 10:15

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

I've read the reverse. Flush on new engine not good, flush on old engine okay

New engine as in how many kms? 20k kms is not new in my books. also post the details please.

parimal_g · 13th August 2009, 10:42

It is not advisable to use flush frequently,it removes the carbon and makes your car harsh and increases engine noise and use only reputed flush which are recomanded by manufacturer.

Jaggu · 13th August 2009, 10:48

Ok how many kms is ok then, 20 k kms? i have been using flush every 10k kms and ask BHPians who have heard my car, how the lawn mover engine sounds

3M, OWS are two of the good brands i have come across.

amitk26 · 13th August 2009, 11:04

Ok gurus I have a question here my safari is back from 2nd service and it is OEM Castrol GTX 15W40 ,
I did an intermediate Oil change at 6500 KM in march as i felt 15K for oil change is too long and at that time Bardhal oil additive was sold to me ( yes that is emotional atyachar so don't ask me why i fell for it) but now after oil change ( without bardhal ) I feel that it was better then plain Castro GTX 15W40. Is there any substance to my observation or it is purley psychological.

DieselFan · 13th August 2009, 11:08

I did a flush at 30 k kms and the engine became more peppier (Higher torque /power at wide RPM bands of 1500 to 2500). There was no increase in the noise levels observed. I used an MGA(Some German make I forget the name) flush recommended by the service manager and it worked well. I was charged 800 Rs for material+labour.

Jaggu · 13th August 2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by amitk26

Is there any substance to my observation or it is purley psychological.

Yes it might help your engine to be a lil more smooth and that maybe the reason why Tata pushes it. Dealer happy and Owner also happy

greenhorn · 13th August 2009, 13:20

Yahoo! Groups

here's the post I was talking about

Note: he is usually always right

11th August 2009, 23:03	#196
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	If you are very particular you can do a flush, otherwise drain the old oil completely and replace the filter before you fill the new oil. There is no written rule that one should flush the engine before regular interval oil change. Critical factor is how well the old oil is drained out.
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11th August 2009, 23:47	#197
greenhorn BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,878 Thanked: 4,910 Times View My Garage	dooont do the flush! unless your engine has built up a LOT of dirt inside, let it be. if you want, after draining the old oil, run the engine with a bit of the new oil, then drain that off, and then fill the new oil again - this time the required quantity. my engine sounded horrible after the flush. dont do it unless you absolutely need to. have heard it damages the seals etc
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12th August 2009, 00:19	#199
greenhorn BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,878 Thanked: 4,910 Times View My Garage	what i meant was, instead of using flush, use a little quantity of the new oil, and follow the same procedure ! just in case he was switching oil brands. This is advice i got elsewhere in this forum, not sure where Last edited by greenhorn : 12th August 2009 at 00:20.
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12th August 2009, 02:11	#200
ph03n!x Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 2,604 Thanked: 6,165 Times	Getz CRDi owners- what engine oil do you use? Read good things about Mobile Delvac MX, any first-hand experiences?
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12th August 2009, 12:00	#201
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	Hello when i said flush is not compulsory, it doesnt mean it will do harm! If done properly it will only do good and add some more life to the new oil. As far as harming seals and all are concerned, this happens mostly in very old engines where a sudden change of oil grade or flush happens. If somebody does a flush job at 20k kms interval nothing harmful will happen! ph03n!x: Go with Delvac MX its a good oil and should work well, people have tried in Crdi engines like verna and had good results. Last edited by Jaggu : 12th August 2009 at 12:01.
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13th August 2009, 10:42	#205
parimal_g BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 442 Thanked: 278 Times View My Garage	It is not advisable to use flush frequently,it removes the carbon and makes your car harsh and increases engine noise and use only reputed flush which are recomanded by manufacturer.
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13th August 2009, 10:48	#206
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	Ok how many kms is ok then, 20 k kms? i have been using flush every 10k kms and ask BHPians who have heard my car, how the lawn mover engine sounds 3M, OWS are two of the good brands i have come across.
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13th August 2009, 11:04	#207
amitk26 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,089 Thanked: 716 Times	Ok gurus I have a question here my safari is back from 2nd service and it is OEM Castrol GTX 15W40 , I did an intermediate Oil change at 6500 KM in march as i felt 15K for oil change is too long and at that time Bardhal oil additive was sold to me ( yes that is emotional atyachar so don't ask me why i fell for it) but now after oil change ( without bardhal ) I feel that it was better then plain Castro GTX 15W40. Is there any substance to my observation or it is purley psychological.
	() Thanks

13th August 2009, 11:08	#208
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 260 Times	I did a flush at 30 k kms and the engine became more peppier (Higher torque /power at wide RPM bands of 1500 to 2500). There was no increase in the noise levels observed. I used an MGA(Some German make I forget the name) flush recommended by the service manager and it worked well. I was charged 800 Rs for material+labour.
	() Thanks

13th August 2009, 13:20	#210
greenhorn BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,878 Thanked: 4,910 Times View My Garage	Yahoo! Groups here's the post I was talking about Note: he is usually always right
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