All about diesel engine oils

DieselFan · 4th October 2009, 18:28

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

I've tried escalating this to tata customer support, but sadly, no response

Sad to know that Tata after sales support is not very responsive. Maruti if not anything will respond to all customer concerns.

Manu0611 · 29th October 2009, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Eddy

I am being quoted 2300 for a 10L can. Its not available in lesser denominations but that is ok with me.

All I need to know is whether the oil is good and if any other better alternative is available in mineral oil. How does it compare to GTX diesel (which is extremely har to source) and Mobil Delvac.

Can you please let me know where from in Delhi can I get Delvac MX??

Eddy · 29th October 2009, 15:51

Manu0611,

Relax, you will get your oil.

PMing you the details of the Gurgaon Chevron distributor

tsk1979 · 29th October 2009, 16:25

Khan market can get you that.
BTW there is a new kid on the block
Castrol CRB turbo - API-CH4(or is it CI4), I need to check from the bottle I have

nitrous · 29th October 2009, 16:28

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Originally Posted by tsk

Castrol CRB turbo - API-CH4(or is it CI4), I need to check from the bottle I have

This is my Tata 407 brew. Take it with a pinch of salt.

tsk1979 · 29th October 2009, 16:29

Well its 15W40 API-CH4 compliant oil. Earlier it used to be 20W40, but now its 15W40.
Its different from your standard CRB Plus, and expensive too!

nitrous · 30th October 2009, 21:00

One thing bothers me, Tanveer.
How difficult would it be to edit CF to CH on the labels being printed?

tsk1979 · 2nd November 2009, 11:11

I do not think a reputed company will do that stuff! As for aftermarket, the label is not a tiny separate grading sticker, but part of the main product info.

caabhishek · 14th November 2009, 16:01

Hi

I have an Accent CRDi. Justed wanted to know as to which is the best fit diesel engine oil for Accent CRDi. Also can Castrol Magnatec be used in it. Which one would be better Catrol GTX Diesel or Castrol Magnatec. The castrol site claims magnatec to be best oil for petrol & Diesel high performing luxury cars. I'm confused which one to use or some other brand (available in Mumbai). Please help guys...

Another thing is what should be an ideal oil change interval in city driving conditions in Mumbai for both Petrol & Diesel, as I own both Swift Vxi Petrol and Accent CRDi Diesel. In both cases manufacturer recommends 10k.

One more thing which I want to know is the oil tank capacity of both the cars. Authorised service centres fill 5L in both and charge for 5L. whereas my local mechanic says that even after complete drain out and filter change it should not take more than 3.5 to 4 L for accent crdi and 3.5L for Swift Vxi. He drained the oil before me for accent and filled new oil around 3.5-4L and showed me on the oil strip that the oil level is full. Didnt try this for Swift. Who is correct? How much oil should both the cars take. Please advise asap as my CRDi is due for a OIL change.

Also advise as to which Oil Filter should be used.

Regards
Abhishek

DieselFan · 15th November 2009, 19:27

Castrol Magnatec is not a diesel oil. A diesel variant Castrol Magnatec Diesel is suitable for Diesel engines. It has CF rating.

Also MASS and HASS does not charge for excess oil. they would charge for oil based on engine capacity in VXI case I think it is 3.5 L or may be 3.3L. This is clearly given in the owners manual.

live2drive · 15th November 2009, 19:44

^ HASS do charge for excess oil quantity. I am always billed for 5.3L of oil, whereas the engine takes in 4.7L max. The car in question is a Verna CRDi.

DieselFan · 15th November 2009, 20:18

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Originally Posted by live2drive

^ HASS do charge for excess oil quantity. I am always billed for 5.3L of oil, whereas the engine takes in 4.7L max. The car in question is a Verna CRDi.

Please write to hyundai and raise a formal complaint. Ask for a complete refund of all the past billing. This is blatant cheating.

live2drive · 15th November 2009, 22:13

Have raised a concern with the dealer in question. Will also write to Hyundai.

IndigoXLGrandDi · 16th November 2009, 19:59

I have bought Mahindra Xylo E8 (ABS) on 11th November. The Owner's Manual recommends Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4 Engine Oil. And the Replacement Interval recommended is 15,000kms. The Manual says that "If any other 15W40 CH4 Engine Oil is used, then Replacement Interval should be brought to 10,000kms.
What if I want to use "Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4"? Would I have to replace the Engine Oil at 15,000kms or 10,000kms? The Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4 meets the Recommended Standards of Mahindra (See Above). So why does Mahindra & Mahindra recommends to decrease the Engine Oil Interval if oil other than Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4 is used?

Also Would the Dealer allow me to use my (purchased from Outside) Engine Oil while Oil Replacement? If not, how to force him to do as i need? The Owner's Manual does not Mention that the Consumables should be purchased from Only the Dealer and Not from Outside TO AVAIL THE WARRANTY. This Clearly indicates that any 15W40 CH4 Diesel Engine Oil can be used. So I have this Plus Point. But how to use this against the Dealer?

And whats so Special in "Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4" from "Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4" that the Former can last for 15,000kms as against Latter's 10,000kms?

DieselFan · 17th November 2009, 09:52

IndigoXLgrandDi

Maximile I believe has some extra additives for long lasting mileage while the castrol or other oils with same grade may not have extra mile additives hence M&M is cautious in advising its customers to change oil more frequently.

You can use your purchased oil of the same grade mentioned and use it (Even the owners manual is in a way in favour of your argument. No Dealer can refute the same. If he does please contact M&M from Dealers service center itself and raise a complaint.

29th October 2009, 15:51	#243
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,388 Thanked: 13,309 Times	Manu0611, Relax, you will get your oil. PMing you the details of the Gurgaon Chevron distributor
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29th October 2009, 16:25	#244
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,826 Times View My Garage	Khan market can get you that. BTW there is a new kid on the block Castrol CRB turbo - API-CH4(or is it CI4), I need to check from the bottle I have
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29th October 2009, 16:29	#246
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,826 Times View My Garage	Well its 15W40 API-CH4 compliant oil. Earlier it used to be 20W40, but now its 15W40. Its different from your standard CRB Plus, and expensive too!
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30th October 2009, 21:00	#247
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	One thing bothers me, Tanveer. How difficult would it be to edit CF to CH on the labels being printed?
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2nd November 2009, 11:11	#248
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,826 Times View My Garage	I do not think a reputed company will do that stuff! As for aftermarket, the label is not a tiny separate grading sticker, but part of the main product info.
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14th November 2009, 16:01	#249
caabhishek BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 71 Thanked: 16 Times	Advise for Accent CRDi Hi I have an Accent CRDi. Justed wanted to know as to which is the best fit diesel engine oil for Accent CRDi. Also can Castrol Magnatec be used in it. Which one would be better Catrol GTX Diesel or Castrol Magnatec. The castrol site claims magnatec to be best oil for petrol & Diesel high performing luxury cars. I'm confused which one to use or some other brand (available in Mumbai). Please help guys... Another thing is what should be an ideal oil change interval in city driving conditions in Mumbai for both Petrol & Diesel, as I own both Swift Vxi Petrol and Accent CRDi Diesel. In both cases manufacturer recommends 10k. One more thing which I want to know is the oil tank capacity of both the cars. Authorised service centres fill 5L in both and charge for 5L. whereas my local mechanic says that even after complete drain out and filter change it should not take more than 3.5 to 4 L for accent crdi and 3.5L for Swift Vxi. He drained the oil before me for accent and filled new oil around 3.5-4L and showed me on the oil strip that the oil level is full. Didnt try this for Swift. Who is correct? How much oil should both the cars take. Please advise asap as my CRDi is due for a OIL change. Also advise as to which Oil Filter should be used. Regards Abhishek
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15th November 2009, 19:27	#250
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 259 Times	Castrol Magnatec is not a diesel oil. A diesel variant Castrol Magnatec Diesel is suitable for Diesel engines. It has CF rating. Also MASS and HASS does not charge for excess oil. they would charge for oil based on engine capacity in VXI case I think it is 3.5 L or may be 3.3L. This is clearly given in the owners manual.
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15th November 2009, 19:44	#251
live2drive BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 525 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	^ HASS do charge for excess oil quantity. I am always billed for 5.3L of oil, whereas the engine takes in 4.7L max. The car in question is a Verna CRDi.
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15th November 2009, 22:13	#253
live2drive BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 525 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	Have raised a concern with the dealer in question. Will also write to Hyundai.
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16th November 2009, 19:59	#254
IndigoXLGrandDi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Solapur (MH-13) Posts: 1,784 Thanked: 570 Times	I have bought Mahindra Xylo E8 (ABS) on 11th November. The Owner's Manual recommends Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4 Engine Oil. And the Replacement Interval recommended is 15,000kms. The Manual says that "If any other 15W40 CH4 Engine Oil is used, then Replacement Interval should be brought to 10,000kms. What if I want to use "Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4"? Would I have to replace the Engine Oil at 15,000kms or 10,000kms? The Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4 meets the Recommended Standards of Mahindra (See Above). So why does Mahindra & Mahindra recommends to decrease the Engine Oil Interval if oil other than Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4 is used? Also Would the Dealer allow me to use my (purchased from Outside) Engine Oil while Oil Replacement? If not, how to force him to do as i need? The Owner's Manual does not Mention that the Consumables should be purchased from Only the Dealer and Not from Outside TO AVAIL THE WARRANTY. This Clearly indicates that any 15W40 CH4 Diesel Engine Oil can be used. So I have this Plus Point. But how to use this against the Dealer? And whats so Special in "Mahindra Maximile 15W40 CH4" from "Castrol CRB Turbo 15W40 CH4" that the Former can last for 15,000kms as against Latter's 10,000kms? Last edited by IndigoXLGrandDi : 16th November 2009 at 20:07. Reason: wanted to correct the typo errors.
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17th November 2009, 09:52	#255
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 259 Times	IndigoXLgrandDi Maximile I believe has some extra additives for long lasting mileage while the castrol or other oils with same grade may not have extra mile additives hence M&M is cautious in advising its customers to change oil more frequently. You can use your purchased oil of the same grade mentioned and use it (Even the owners manual is in a way in favour of your argument. No Dealer can refute the same. If he does please contact M&M from Dealers service center itself and raise a complaint.
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