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Old 4th August 2014, 23:06   #421
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The Jazz was simply the best hatchback on sale in India. Oh! Wait. That's was only until you heard it's price.
But I think this time, Honda can make a big impact with the Jazz.
Here's why:
  • The 1.2 petrol is used in Amaze and Brio. So with the Jazz, the production cost of the engine will decrease
  • The 1.5 diesel is the best diesel in India for sub-4 meter cars today
  • Jazz's boot was 386 liters. Hoping that design doesn't change or improves. Comparable to Amaze's 400 liter boot
  • The platform and a lot more will be shared with the City, which sells a lot due to a diesel
  • It's more premium than the Amaze

Pray to god that Honda doesn't make an error with the pricing, especially like how they have done with the Mobilio.
The new Jazz comes with a 400 liter boot,the same as Amaze but can be expanded by the magic seats or what ever they call it now.

It will carry a premium over the Amaze or the new Elite i20 ,since its simply more spacious.

It surely will sell with the diesel engine now.In the youtube video with the CEO of Honda India, he says that the diesel market share as per them is 60 to 70 percent.
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...Modulo and Mugen kit in India. Some of these accessories look fab...
I just got bowled over! What stunning design and what a beautiful kit!! My Goodness - Hope I don't lose my control especially since I am getting a car lease program with my next employer. Add to it, a B-I-L who is a Honda service branch manager in the middle east.

But frankly, after the previous gen Swift, this is one hatch that's got my heart beat faster! LOVE IT! Hope Honda is sensible enough to refine the diesel engine better or insulate the cabin proper for that "premium" feel.
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Yes, the new Jazz looks fabulous. I am running away from diesel engines because of my current car's diesel engine's NVH levels. But this is the only car that I would consider diesel if Honda manages to control the NVH levels.
If Jazz is coming in 1.5L petrol , then I would go for the petrol engine, hope they do not make it 1.2 to cut costs!
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Jazz no doubt is bang on styling. Honda no doubt will retain the premium feel that the previous version carried. Iam feel so because of the trend that Honda is showing , it is retaining the wow factor from the previous models (like it did in the new city), however it has disappointed people when it launched totally new cars like Amaze, Brio and now Mobilo.The concern however is the price as many pointed out and also IMO some issues around quality which were already highlighted in the City thread.
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One of new Jazz's principal competitor's in the Indian market will be the elite i20. Now that the Elite i20 has been launched, Honda will have 6 - 7 months to see how i20 fares in the minds of Indian customers. We all know Hyundai gives maximum features per lakh and i20 has many bells and whistles that usually come with cars a few segments above.

I hope Honda keeps its ears to the ground and launches the Jazz without stripping many of its trims and features to keep costs down. I have simply tried to compare the feature list from respective brochures of the Elite i20 vs the Malaysian Jazz , to me apart from safety features and Ultra seats, the i20 looks slightly more loaded.

Wishing that Honda does NOT compromise on safety features when launching in India and considers maximum possible features in other aspects. Hyundai has also hit a perfect spot w.r.t to pricing, can Honda match that will be the biggest question. For now we can safely assume the 1.5 iDtec engine on Jazz will be its biggest plus compared to Hyundai's 1.4L U2. For iVtec lovers it will definitely be a 1.2 L from Honda for the Jazz unless they decide to surprise us !
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There is hardly and difference between the two,may be the i20 has slightly more irrelevant bells and whistles.
The Biggest USP for the Jazz ,is the space it offers which no car in its segment or price bracket can match.

Even some cars like Vento,Rapid,Fiesta,Linea,Verna have lesser interior space. Only the City and Sunny have more space on the inside.
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One of new Jazz's principal competitor's in the Indian market will be the elite i20. Now that the Elite i20 has been launched, Honda will have 6 - 7 months to see how i20 fares in the minds of Indian customers. We all know Hyundai gives maximum features per lakh and i20 has many bells and whistles that usually come with cars a few segments above.

I hope Honda keeps its ears to the ground and launches the Jazz without stripping many of its trims and features to keep costs down. I have simply tried to compare the feature list from respective brochures of the Elite i20 vs the Malaysian Jazz , to me apart from safety features and Ultra seats, the i20 looks slightly more loaded.

Wishing that Honda does NOT compromise on safety features when launching in India and considers maximum possible features in other aspects. Hyundai has also hit a perfect spot w.r.t to pricing, can Honda match that will be the biggest question. For now we can safely assume the 1.5 iDtec engine on Jazz will be its biggest plus compared to Hyundai's 1.4L U2. For iVtec lovers it will definitely be a 1.2 L from Honda for the Jazz unless they decide to surprise us !
First of all, thanks for posting the brochure for Malaysian Jazz. First thing what strikes me is the huge array of safety features which we are not going to get sadly.
When you say the I20 is better loaded, which features are you referring to?
If Honda launches the Jazz in India with features given above in the Malaysian brochure, I don't think there will be much reason to complain.

The Jazz has the following advantages over I20 -
interior space
boot space
flexibility (magic/ultra seats)
better to drive - At least, the previous gen I20 felt underpowered compared to the Jazz and the steering was like a toy (Jazz may not be a Punto but it handles fine).

If Honda prices the Jazz at a slight premium to the I20 and loads it up with features adequately, I think it will be a great choice in the 6-9L price range.

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First of all, thanks for posting the brochure for Malaysian Jazz. First thing what strikes me is the huge array of safety features which we are not going to get sadly.
When you say the I20 is better loaded, which features are you referring to?
Hi adimicra , you're most welcome , i have attached full brochure for reference.

I thought the elite i20 was slightly more loaded (without referring to safety) because of the rear AC vents, auto folding wing mirrors, Clutch foot rest, Headlamp escort function which are available on the elite i20 and not on the Jazz

Having said this, definitely agree Jazz is a better car in terms of space and driveability, eagerly waiting for its launch
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flexibility (magic/ultra seats)
Any idea what are these magic/ultra seats? Honda has removed the magic seats that fold upwards and there is no longer any space below the rear seat bench. This will be applicable to India as well.

My only worry is that they not do a City with the Jazz. Just looking at the City thread is leaving me wondering what happened to Honda.

There are complaints of belt noises, sunroof leakages, rattles, power window motors coming loose and what not. It was a surprise especially since the old City and Jazz did not have these glaring niggles.

Honda is trying to localize the Jazz heavily and reuse from the City. This is what worries me.
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Any idea what are these magic/ultra seats? Honda has removed the magic seats that fold upwards and there is no longer any space below the rear seat bench. This will be applicable to India as well.

My only worry is that they not do a City with the Jazz. Just looking at the City thread is leaving me wondering what happened to Honda.

There are complaints of belt noises, sunroof leakages, rattles, power window motors coming loose and what not. It was a surprise especially since the old City and Jazz did not have these glaring niggles.

Honda is trying to localize the Jazz heavily and reuse from the City. This is what worries me.
That worries me a lot as well.. I was not aware of these issues in the new City. This is dreadful from Honda and they may lose their reputation in the market.

The old Jazz had awesome quality and reliability. My Jazz is 45000 kms/4 years old and it still looks and feels like new..not even a single issue or a niggle. In fact, the old Jazz had better quality than the City. It also had less localization than the City which led to higher cost.

I just hope and pray that Honda does not compromise on the quality. What I see is that it is going to compete with the new I20 and Polo both of which provide superb quality and customers are not going to accept a below par Jazz.

The ultra seats are same as magic seats as per my knowledge... I saw similar pics of the ultra seats in different positions like the magic seats in the Malaysian or some other brochure.

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Hi adimicra , you're most welcome , i have attached full brochure for reference.

I thought the elite i20 was slightly more loaded (without referring to safety) because of the rear AC vents, auto folding wing mirrors, Clutch foot rest, Headlamp escort function which are available on the elite i20 and not on the Jazz

Having said this, definitely agree Jazz is a better car in terms of space and driveability, eagerly waiting for its launch
Jazz at least has some AC vents below the front seats..so its not so bad.
auto folding mirrors are very much there.
Clutch footrest is not an issue - Jazz has lot of space beside the clutch to rest your foot nicely.
Headlamp escort and rear parking assist are something which is missing in the Jazz.

But remember Jazz will also have some additional features like reclining rear seats (no car in the segment has this). If Honda gets the price:feature ratio correct, Jazz is going to be a success this time.
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To sell higher volumes, Honda needs to have at least 3 or 4 models. Since safety is considered as luxury for most average buyers, a stripped down version like the magna/era in Hyundai is a must. I am sure many buyers will love to skip the safety features for an overall lower cost.

I know several recent car buyers who wanted to have leather seats, DRL, reverse parking sensors and other fancy features, but hardly care for Airbags/ABS. I am sure Honda knows this.
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To sell higher volumes, Honda needs to have at least 3 or 4 models. Since safety is considered as luxury for most average buyers, a stripped down version like the magna/era in Hyundai is a must. I am sure many buyers will love to skip the safety features for an overall lower cost.

I know several recent car buyers who wanted to have leather seats, DRL, reverse parking sensors and other fancy features, but hardly care for Airbags/ABS. I am sure Honda knows this.
That's the reality..sad but true!
And yes, this time Honda will make sure they have at least 1 or 2 variants without any safety features and price them attractively.
And these are the variants which will bring in volumes, again unfortunate.

Many times, I hear people say that they are disappointed as the safety features are offered in the top variants only. But sadly, the numbers of those people are too few to matter. I had at least 10 people purchasing cars around me in the last few months in the 5-8lakh range and none of them have gone for the top variant with ABS and airbags. They say they don't need those. Why spend more? And on top of that, they are ready to spend money on aftermarket alloys or a touchscreen audio system or some other bling. Reason is simple - you can show off these features but how do show off safety?

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If Honda prices the Jazz at a slight premium to the I20 and loads it up with features adequately, I think it will be a great choice in the 6-9L price range.
Honestly, I don't think we must look at Malaysian Jazz for feature list and compare with Elite i20. Malaysian Jazz comes loaded with features because the new City sold in Malaysia is also loaded with features.

Following are the features available in Malaysian City which is missing in India:
*Tilt and Telescopic steering (We get only tilt feature)
*Hill Start Assist
*Vehicle Stability Assist
*Brake Assist
*Side Curtain Airbags
*i-Side Airbags
*G-Force Control Technology

So if one was to compare features with Elite i20, I think the new City should be used as a benchmark in lieu of Jazz.

I see Honda launching Jazz in 4 petrol variants and 3 diesel variants. One additional petrol variant would be AT. I don't know if its possible but I hope Honda offers CVT with 1.2L petrol.

Also, Honda cannot afford to go wrong with Jazz again so they will definitely play safe. I expect them to launch Jazz with 1.2L petrol engine and 1.5L diesel engine at a base price of 5.2 lacs.

No automaker offering premium hatch has dared to cross 5 lacs for the base price. Polo launched at 4.99 lacs and comes with ABS & Airbags. Punto, Elite i20, Swift, all less than 5 lacs. I think Jazz will be the first car to break that trend so I hope Honda manages to keep it well below 5.5 lacs.
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Any idea what are these magic/ultra seats? Honda has removed the magic seats that fold upwards and there is no longer any space below the rear seat bench. This will be applicable to India as well.
They still fold up(there is still space under the seat) and have the same functionality as the old Jazz.
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They still fold up(there is still space under the seat) and have the same functionality as the old Jazz.
Yeah they still do but I remember reading somewhere and seeing at the Auto expo that the Indian variant would lose the magic/ultra seats. It was part of cost cutting.

Apologies but I am unable to find the link of the story that mentioned this now. During the Auto Expo, there was a mention about doing away with the magic seats. The display car at the Expo did not have the magic seats as well.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3365279 (Honda @ Auto Expo 2014)

It could be that lower variants will lose the magic seats but top end will still get it. The car at auto expo was some mid-spec trim.
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