[ptushar]

Originally Posted by maddy42

This will surely reduce the duster and safari traffic. Sorry Tata and Renault.

Renault is planning a fight back. They have a solid AWD product launched as well, and decent pricing too.

The Tata team is busy making holiday plans for Diwali and some party plans for the New Year. After that, and if they are in the mood, they might even consider launching a Storme with a two DIN (Yes, you heard right... a full two DIN, not a 1.25 DIN, not a 1.75 DIN but a full two DIN) music player.
They have one of the best products and yet they are squandering away an opportunity to make a market impact.

By then the Scorpio and Duster would have sold about 3000 units each at least.

Anyways, this is the Scorpio thread and so lets focus on that. The vehicle looks pretty good from the front. And the s10 interiors frankly look awesome.

Question: How good has the Scorpio been in the 4x4 department? Somehow I haven't seen as many 4x4 Scorpios on the road as I have seen 4x4 Safaris.

[Rags Rocks]

Wow, the Nex Gen Scorpio is here. The design actually grows in on you. Its looks way better than the spyhot pictures. The black colour is the best looking of all. If allowed to have tinted windows, this would look killer. The Headlamp console is awesome, it looks much more better in flesh. Eagerly waiting for the test drive, to see the improvement in drive quality and mechanicals.

Would definitely trade in my 2012 SLE for this beauty but would wait till couple of years ( am sure, this model will not be updated for atleast next 5 to 10 years), for all the teething issues to be fixed and make this, the best Indian SUV in the market..

[sdp1975]

The NDTV review by SVP states that ABS and airbags are optionally available across all 5 variants and he quotes Pawan Goenka on it.

http://auto.ndtv.com/reviews/2014-ma...-review-670665

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by ptushar

The Tata team is busy making holiday plans for Diwali and some party plans for the New Year.

. No comments, but I think well worth consuming my single smiley per post here

Originally Posted by ptushar

By then the Scorpio and Duster would have sold about 3000 units each at least.

For an aged model the scorpio sells in pretty decent numbers.

Originally Posted by ptushar

Question: How good has the Scorpio been in the 4x4 department? Somehow I haven't seen as many 4x4 Scorpios on the road as I have seen 4x4 Safaris.

I had a Scorpio mhawk 4x4 . Overall, decent product, but biggest problem is that it has only 180 mm ground clearance which caused the center to scrape badly when going over estate roads where the tire tracks are dug down and the center of the road is higher. It also has very poor approach, ramp over and departure angles. These yardsticks are unknown to Mahindra engineers. The Safari 4x4 has 205 mm ground clearance plus rear LSD which makes it more capable than a Scorpio 4x4. However, the Safari offers 4x4 only in the top end trim and last when I checked this was over 16 lakhs on the road, at this price point, I would rather well jump to the 20 to 30 lakhs bracket.

I can tell you that the 4x4 scropio will not be as capable as the 4x4 Duster, purely based on the hardware differences, Ground clearance, approach, ramp over and departure angles, etc. but if I can get the S4 with safety features and save 2 to 3 lakhs over the duster 4x4, I will consider it. If S4 is not available with any optional safety features, I think Duster 4x4 is the way to go. In this damn day and age, it is just not worth spending north of 10 lakhs on a vehicle that doesn't have ABS atleast.

I got to admit that of the many reviews that I have read, NDTV's is the only review that has specifically highlighted importance of safety features. I wish more auto journos would highlight Indian manufacturers lack of interest in providing safety features except on top end models which are unaffordable to most buyers. They will put in gimmickry like keyless entry, auto headlamps, wipers, etc but no safety features.

http://auto.ndtv.com/reviews/2014-ma...-review-670665

To quote them:

"But I have saved the bit I most definitely love for the end. At the 2014 Auto Expo in New Delhi in February, Mahindra boss Pawan Goenka had promised me, that the company will make safety features optional and available across all variants of any future products. Guess what? He is living up to that promise. Yes the safety option pack comprising dual airbags and ABS is now optionally available to consumers across all 5 variants. Three cheers Dr Goenka and team M&M! The move is a solid one, and will hopefully compel others to follow. But for this first step I salute M&M big time. I hope the marketing chaps can communicate this effectively, so most buyers know that they can opt for the features. Just excellent for our market. And I am "

Thank you Siddharth Vinayak Patankar & NDTV Team

[ptushar]

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

but if I can get the S4 with safety features and save 2 to 3 lakhs over the duster 4x4, I will consider it.

I am not sure of this, but I did read a review here:
http://auto.ndtv.com/reviews/2014-ma...-review-670665

I attach below an excerpt from the NDTV review:

Originally Posted by from NDTV review

At the 2014 Auto Expo in New Delhi in February, Mahindra boss Pawan Goenka had promised me, that the company will make safety features optional and available across all variants of any future products. Guess what? He is living up to that promise. Yes the safety option pack comprising dual airbags and ABS is now optionally available to consumers across all 5 variants. Three cheers Dr Goenka and team M&M!

If this is true then Scorpio indeed will come with safety features as optional on all models.

[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

Thank you Siddharth Vinayak Patankar & NDTV Team

Originally Posted by ptushar

If this is true then Scorpio indeed will come with safety features as optional on all models.

Then someone with a Twitter a/c should ask Mr.Goenka to explain the disconnect between what he says and the official website:



Cheers,
Vikram

[ptushar]

Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

Then someone with a Twitter a/c needs to ask Mr.Goenka to explain the disconnect between what he says and the official website:

Cheers,
Vikram

Thats a good point. The website should have atleast put an "O" in those columns. Can someone who has been to the showroom OR is planning to visit the showroom please confirm this with the sales representative there. But I do hope that M&M provide this, it will surely make it far more appealing to people who value these features.

[TSIched'Out]

New Scorpio is on Display at Mumbai Airport. On Road Price for top end 4x4 variant is well above Rs 15 Lacs. The car looks good in flesh from the front, not so impressive from the side and rear. Attaching couple of pics:












And there are no grab handles in the rear

[extreme_torque]

Look at the official images of both Safari Storme and Scropio below. Scorpio does look more butch but it also looks cruder of the two. Those rain gutters on the roof always get me

[sourabhzen]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Look at the official images of both Safari Storme and Scropio below. Scorpio does look more butch but it also looks cruder of the two. Those rain gutters on the roof always get me ]

Do not agree on this one. Have seen Safari and Scorpio parked side by side a number of times and, to me, Safari has much more presence than Scorpio. In these pictures too, Safari seems to be smiling while taking the obstacle with ease. .

[mpksuhas]

The 'Live Young, Live Free' banner seems to have re-appeared in Scorpio. I remember last year Scorpio, Xylo and XUV sporting this badge, however sometime around first half of this year it was stopped.

[Mahesh Prasad]

To be honest, I've refrained from commenting on the looks since GTO posted the scoop pictures. I just wanted to get a clear picture and I feel it is not that bad. The Front looks good and aggressive while the rear surely looks overdone - too many things going on there. But I guess the design will grow on you as has been with many vehicles like the XUV 500, the Ritz etc. In my instance, I actually hated the Ritz when the first pictures surfaced, but many years and minimal facelift's later it has grown and looks good with clean and sedate looks.

I feel the vehicle has been aggressively priced and will still sell in good numbers as the previous gen. The interiors look much better than the previous version.

But the one drawback in my view is the difference between the features in the trim levels, the S10 is loaded will all the bells and whistles while the S8 looks a bit bare in comparison. This is solely my opinion.

All in all, I feel its a good product from M&M and I guess the numbers will speak for itself when they are out.

I guess the only thing left to do now is wait till the Mod's put up the extensive review and reports to get a better point of view.

PS: Hoping to see and test drive the vehicle tomorrow if its here in Mangalore, as I'm going to take delivery of my in laws' new Bolero.

[acidkill]

i do feel that the S8 is a sandwich variant with no real proposition apart from the extra airbag. The S6+ 4WD would have been a much better variant to offer instead. My money would have gone on that one quite easily if it were on offer. I dont think i can and will shell out 13 something lakhs (ex showroom) for a S10 4WD; at the same time the S4 4WD is just too bare bones.

Thanks to mahindra i will probably continue to be 2WD owner

[Parm]

The Ball is in Tata's court to come out with a Storme capable of taking on the NEW Scorpio.

[s.prashanth]

Will they be launching a automatic. Any answers on this would be appreciated