[merve_extreme]

@Gurkha:ok for a moment forget the germans and the americans just tell me what do u have to say about Rolls Royce in comparison with the japanese?

[Rtech]

uhoh! Merve, you just opened a whole new can of worms!!

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

why because he cares for his prized german and euro vehicles and dosent give a **** about his toyota.it was bought for this duty of doing the dirty work.

a range rover or for that matter a land rover defender will beat the **** out of any toyota landcruiser in any part of the world and so will a mercedes G-class and the hummer.

There are different ways of looking at a statement, and you chose the one that suited you the most.

Try dune-bashing on those exotic luxo-4WDs and let me know. Thats all I can say for now.

[Rtech]

The best mud/sand plugger in the world ain't Jap and it ain't German. It's American, and I'm not talking Hummer. I don't think I have to spell it out.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by Rtech

The best mud/sand plugger in the world ain't Jap and it ain't German. It's American, and I'm not talking Hummer. I don't think I have to spell it out.

are those the monster trucks u are talking about.

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Try dune-bashing on those exotic luxo-4WDs and let me know

i havent gone dune bashing in luxo suv's but yes i have done that in a toyota lancruiser amazon on the desert safari when i went to dubai and let me tell u even the amazon gets stuck in the sand many times and the driver had to call other drivers around(in their amazons) to winch him out.

and are u telling that a range rover will get stuck in the sand.u must be joking.see this topgear mag pics.isnt that a range rover in the dubai desert?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

@Gurkha:ok for a moment forget the germans and the americans just tell me what do u have to say about Rolls Royce in comparison with the japanese?

Give a japanese guy $400k that you would spend for an average RR...then wait for 1 week....hmmmm....guess what you get back....VOILA!!! 1 3.5L super fast sports car, 1 rock chewing off roader & a 1 1.5L family sedan and you will still remain with loads of deutch for modding those machines into brute manmade forces......now wait...the best part is yet to come ....all those cars, will if not last longer atleast will last as long as a european car but would have saved you bag full of deutch cutting expense with ultra less maintanence costs and amazing fuel efficiency. Now can some one tell me "IF NOT FOR STATUS EXAGGERATION WHY DOES ANY ONE BUY A RR??" Impractical right!!! Japanese are too smart to build cars like RR n sell 1 car in a month while they can make 10 times that earning selling 1000cars...Talking bout Technological aspect in this scene: Can some one tell me one motor sport(we know its pure technological battle there) where Japanese do not make their presence felt if not rule the roost???

[Gurkha]

The Shieks can afford Euro 4WD and use them as garbage truck so they don't really care about money, it is the issue of reliability and this is where Land Cruiser excels, the BBC team testing and showcasing the Range Rovers in Australia found that out the real way when out of 4 Range Rovers, 3 of them quit and the Aussies told them, they don't use Land Cruisers for vanity, they use it as a necessity, in fact, there are tin mines where Land Cruisers are used as carrier vehicles inside the mines because nothing else survives.

Now for the Hummer, here is the scoop straight from the troops posted, GM never built a diesel engine worthy of it's salt, therefore the engine has severe overheating and reliability issues, not to mention, they get blown up very easily and plenty of troop attrition is taking place, this has forced the US military to re-think its strategy of deploying Hummers and they are in the process of phasing it out. The US military has also reverted to buying G Wagen as well as using Toyota Mega Cruisers in a limited number without much fanfare because of patriotic issues. In a recent test done by the Marines in US, they found the manual diff locks used in G Wagens to be far superior to the Torsen Gleason limited slip used in Hummer's rear diff, check out the pics at this site http://4x4abc.com/G/hummer.html

Also check out the pics and videos at www.megacruiser.com

Speaking of mud plugging, the best and bonafide mud pluggers are the home made ones that go in competition across one will rarely ever see any Hummer there or for that matter any production 4WD. The good old Gurkha did do superb in the German 4WD magazine test where it beat out big names and got the title of Iron Horse.

[Gurkha]

Originally Posted by Rtech

Boy, that's some body shop you went too. Just happened to have the tensile certificate's lying around did he

Anyways, moving closer to home and real life examples of cars seen on our streets.

Take a look at a 3 year old Honda City and compare that with a 8 year old Astra. Interiors, exterior sheetmetal, suspension. That's the difference. Not talking reliability here though, so don't mix the 2, and don't argue about how you would rather have a dinged but reliable car etc etc..., that's not the point I'm making.

Tensile certificates are mandatory and come with the sheet metal from the factory, at least in US they do, we are not talking bout India here. The body shop in question was MB authorized by the way, I have had both City and Astra rear end my Jonga and none survived, end of discussion. Also bear in mind, City was created for Asia keeping fuel economy in mind, therefore lightweight is a must, drive a US spec Civic or Accord or check the NHSTA records and you will see the truth, lets be scientific here, not seat of the pants.

The Wolf,

Excellent point, couldn't have put it better myself, you have just answered for me in a far better way than I probably could have.

[RX135]

Originally Posted by Gurkha

The US military has also reverted to buying G Wagen as well as using Toyota Mega Cruisers in a limited number without much fanfare because of patriotic issues. In a recent test done by the Marines in US, they found the manual diff locks used in G Wagens to be far superior to the Torsen Gleason limited slip used in Hummer's rear diff, check out the pics at this site

The good old Gurkha did do superb in the German 4WD magazine test where it beat out big names and got the title of Iron Horse.

MB G Wagen..Trax Gurkha....Aren't you talking about German automobiles here?

[Gurkha]

Originally Posted by RX135

MB G Wagen..Trax Gurkha....Aren't you talking about German automobiles here?

So you see, I have no bias, I also drive a VFJ Jonga and am a proud owner of a 500,000 miles 94 Honda Accord V6. Sadly, the snobbish G sites don't even recognize the Gurkha as it is made in India, now you can see what prejudice really is even though their press thought otherwise. They shudder at the thought of their beloved, super expensive Gelande Wagen being made by 3rd world, un-skilled lowly Indians, I should know as I have spatted with most of these fools at various off road forums. All I am trying to do is make people realize that perceptions are not the right way to judge anyone, the product is.

[deepakhon]

Originally Posted by Gurkha

All I am trying to do is make people realize that perceptions are not the right way to judge anyone, the product is.

I could not agree with you more on this. Yes, I drive a Palio and I am more or less happy with it, barring a few grouses here and there. I was under the impression that European cars are the best and nothing else is as good as that until I test drove my colleague's Chevy (na na Subaru) Forrester. That just blew me off. This just goes on to say that a good automobile is a good automobile, no matter where its origins are from.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Give a japanese guy $400k that you would spend for an average RR...then wait for 1 week....hmmmm....guess what you get back....VOILA!!! 1 3.5L super fast sports car, 1 rock chewing off roader & a 1 1.5L family sedan and you will still remain with loads of deutch for modding those machines into brute manmade forces......

we are not talking here of money saving.this is regarding the fact that euro cars are unreliable and have pseudo built quality.


if u want to save money why dont u buy 10 M800 instead of that accord.i am pretty sure that the 800 will be able to outlive(atleast it will match it) the accord.there are example running for over 20 years now in pretty decent condition.

Originally Posted by Gurkha

The Shieks can afford Euro 4WD and use them as garbage truck so they don't really care about money

this is were u lose it out.u look at everything from the price point of view.when i say prized machies that means the machines he loves or cares about,the one he feels should not get spoilt.

there are some people who even love very cheap old RC controlled cars and will keep searching for it if they get lost,even when they can go and buy 1000's of new ones at one go.

one doesn't go and buy a new Mercedes or a Roller because he went and banged his previous one and has the money to buy half of europe,he tries to ensure to the fullest that he dosen't bang one he has.u will never find Mercs,bmw's,porsches and rollers(unless all of them are banged beyond recognition) in car dumps and i wonder why is that.

IMO u dont like german cars even after owning them because u bought them as a transport tool,whom u expected to perform the daily chores without problems, u didnt buy them because u admired the company,and most people who buy Mercs and Rolls buy them because they admire the company for what it stands and car as a product of that company.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by deepakhon

This just goes on to say that a good automobile is a good automobile, no matter where its origins are from.

the question is not which is a good automobile,the question is which is the better one.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by Gurkha

They shudder at the thought of their beloved, super expensive Gelande Wagen being made by 3rd world, un-skilled lowly Indians, .

The Gurkha aint a G-wagen.there is more to a car than a engine and drive.

[deepakhon]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

the question is not which is a good automobile,the question is which is the better one.

That is precisely my point. There is no point making a blanket statement saying that automobiles made from a particular country are better than the ones made from some other country. It is just that a particular automobile is better than the other one.