[nvldvr]

I am getting a Jan 2017 Trend 2.2 4x4, driven 20k, for 23 L. Did a test drive. Loved the engine/ gear box/ ride quality and overall fit and finish. Plan to take the car to Ford ASS tomorrow to verify the status of engine/ suspension and service records etc.
Does this sound like a good deal? Should the fact that this is a discontinued model be an issue of concern?

[SCORPION]

Originally Posted by krishsreedharan

I would like to hear from fellow Endeavour owners on their experiences on this count. Other than this, the total bill was a very reasonable Rs. 5,100 odd inclusive of all taxes.
Krish

I had to replace all 4 brake pads at 20k service. Just finished my 30k service. They said rear pads will last another 5k max. Front ones are better. Didn't ask for the thickness left. It is indeed surprising that they don't last that long.

Total cost for 30k service was 8.4k, including cabin air filter replacement, which was as per my request.

From the service centre took her straight to 3M for an interior germkleen treatment for about 4.8k. Now the interiors are back to almost their initial state. But I noticed they are not really all that careful. I noticed 2 minor scratches on the dashboard, and they had used some sort of brush on the roof lining. This has caused some threads of the lining to come out due to aggressive brushing. Otherwise, they have done an excellent job with the beige interiors.

On a side note, for guys from Coimbatore and surrounding areas, I believe Rajsree Ford is shutting down. Suryabala will be the only one now. Suryabala is expanding their existing facility to take in more vehicles. PMS vehicles up to 30k will be serviced behind the service centre attached to their showroom. Major service, non PMS and body shop is going to be shifted near their multi-brand service centre near Ortho One hospital further up the road.

[anumod]

Originally Posted by nvldvr

I am getting a Jan 2017 Trend 2.2 4x4, driven 20k, for 23 L. Did a test drive. Loved the engine/ gear box/ ride quality and overall fit and finish. Plan to take the car to Ford ASS tomorrow to verify the status of engine/ suspension and service records etc.
Does this sound like a good deal? Should the fact that this is a discontinued model be an issue of concern?

First see that what is the month of manufacturing, there was a stock clearance sale in December 2016 and jan 2017 . Ford was giving a discount in the tune of 6-7 lakhs on manual 4x4 . So with that in mind and the depreciation calculated, the ideal amount would be around 20 . There should not be an issue about discontinued model. Other than transmission all other parts are same and this transmission is getting manufactured in across the globe .

[Mu009]

The discontinued model bit shouldn't be too much of an issue, since it's simply a discontinued variant (not a model) - with pretty much all parts available in other continuing variants (other than the MT gearbox).
So there's a chance that you might have to wait a bit when it's time for a clutch replacement - it's a CKD after all.
But Ford seem to be really good at managing stuff for Endeavour customers, so you can hope they either maintain some sort of an inventory at Chennai, or move things quickly from Thailand on order.
Anumod's would be the reply to wait for, I suppose - he might've inquiried about this and/or come up with a contingency plan for this. And then there are others who should be able to give you a good idea of standard practices in such cases (and specific to Ford in this case too) - in my book, a big reason for this vehicle being at the top of my shortlist is that some of the most helpful and well informed people seem to have bought it.

That said, the price is far too high - not a good deal IMO. It sounds like it's in good condition given how much you liked it (even though the vehicle is such that 20k wouldn't have aged it at all) - but bear in mind that this model was overpriced in its positioning over the 2.2 Tend AT 4x2 when it was on sale - the differential was a little too steep given the -AT +4x4 equation. Do not align the depreciation to that price IMO.

Also, it's a question of looking at a discontinued version that sold very few numbers as rare and therefore sort after, or as not much in demand. I assume that's how the seller would want to look at it, but don't let the deal go down like that - you may get a better price even after the lowering that should be done once the seller calculated depreciation more sensibly.

That said, it's an excellent opportunity to get a 4x4 MT that isn't a guzzler - you should try your best to not pass up on it if suits your needs. But at this price? Absolutely not a good deal.

Wish Ford offered a 3.2 4x4 MT Titanium.

Originally Posted by krishsreedharan

Hi All!

Just got my Endeavour through its 10k service at Rajshree Ford yesterday. One thing I noticed was that the existing thickness of the brake pads was 10.1mm on the fronts and only 5.3 on the rears.

It is my understanding that in an SUV the size of the Endeavour, with its front biased weight, the rears had much less work to do than the front pads. however, the wear indicates otherwise.

I would like to hear from fellow Endeavour owners on their experiences on this count. Other than this, the total bill was a very reasonable Rs. 5,100 odd inclusive of all taxes.

Cheers!
Krish

As I've said above, this is the best thread I've come across at least - you would've found much of the information specific to brake pad life on the Endeavour, if you searched with specific terms.

Unfortunately, in my notes, I haven't marked the page number where the brake pad issues were discussed, but that's probably because I remember the thing well enough and/or sorted it out. With my sketchy credentials out of the way, let me summarise it for you:
For many, brake pads were wearing out pretty quickly - around 20k, which is isn't good enough. For some they lasted de riguer - which was discussed as 30k to 50k IIRC.
I don't remember causes etc being discussed much, other than stopping in D with brakes pressed.

If you do a subsequent search with the right search terms, and find something else, do update here. That said, here's what I read up/saw to put the issue out of my mind, and what I have to reply specifically to what you've said:
1. Rear brakes would wear more as in normal mode 60% of the power is supplied to the rear wheels - the brakes are fighting the engine harder. The TC AT would also be a factor here.
2. This would be exacerbated if you spend extended periods stopped in D with your foot on the brake.
3. The vehicle does have heavy components at the front (the engine), and the weight does shift forward when breaking for all vehicles (inertia), and hence they have bigger brakes upfront - but given the increased work for the rear brakes with the power distribution and the TC AT, the rear brakes will wear out first for this vehicle.

My advice, shift out of D as much as possible for all pauses - even though many argue it isn't an issue in modern ATs, even TCs.

Pressed for time by now at this point of the post. Will elaborate later if necessary - the foot brake + D mode for pausing is good/bad is indeed a contentious point for many.

[anumod]

Originally Posted by Mu009

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But Ford seem to be really good at managing stuff for Endeavour customers, so you can hope they either maintain some sort of an inventory at Chennai, or move things quickly from Thailand on order.
Anumod's would be the reply to wait for, I suppose - he might've inquiried about this and/or come up with a contingency plan for this. And then there are others who should be able to give you a good idea of standard practices in such cases (and specific to Ford in this case too) - in my book, a big reason for this vehicle being at the top of my shortlist is that some of the most helpful and well informed people seem to have bought it.

As per Ford personnels, they are storing the spares of the variants in the Chennai plant, even though it is discontinued. (For emergency) So expect a 3 day delay for you to get the parts to your town, which are not moving. In Hyderabad there is a manual model which has done more than 1L KM , still it hasn't gone for Clutch replacement.

[Mu009]

Originally Posted by anumod

As per Ford personnels, they are storing the spares of the variants in the Chennai plant, even though it is discontinued. (For emergency) So expect a 3 day delay for you to get the parts to your town, which are not moving. In Hyderabad there is a manual model which has done more than 1L KM , still it hasn't gone for Clutch replacement.

Thanks!
I'm not surprised by either - Ford's foresight + positive service position, and the Endeavour's durability.
It will be even more interesting to note your vehicle's progress - since there's a better idea of its usage pattern here. If with your usage (your last post was about a extended, fully-loaded ghat run), we get a similar clutch life, it'll be simply .

Edit: Lack of K-Truss and possibly thinning sheet metal or not, day by day, I only feel more comfortable about this vehicle. Now I just hope, after plonking 30+ when I do, my expectations will be met regarding durability and reliability.

[krishsreedharan]

Originally Posted by SCORPION

On a side note, for guys from Coimbatore and surrounding areas, I believe Rajsree Ford is shutting down. Suryabala will be the only one now. Suryabala is expanding their existing facility to take in more vehicles. PMS vehicles up to 30k will be serviced behind the service centre attached to their showroom. Major service, non PMS and body shop is going to be shifted near their multi-brand service centre near Ortho One hospital further up the road.

Yes. They are. However, their service centres will be active until Ford considers Suryabala's Ford related facilities fully operational. This is the information I was given when I was speaking with somebody higher up the organization. But yes, sooner than later, I will have to drive across town to get my Endy serviced.

[anumod]

Originally Posted by Mu009

Thanks!
I'm not surprised by either - Ford's foresight + positive service position, and the Endeavour's durability.
It will be even more interesting to note your vehicle's progress - since there's a better idea of its usage pattern here. If with your usage (your last post was about a extended, fully-loaded ghat run), we get a similar clutch life, it'll be simply .

Edit: Lack of K-Truss and possibly thinning sheet metal or not, day by day, I only feel more comfortable about this vehicle. Now I just hope, after plonking 30+ when I do, my expectations will be met regarding durability and reliability.

I don't think the metal quality has changed. I took my car to showroom the other day and checked the thud sound of my door with the new door. There was no change . On top of that the unladen weight is remaining unchanged. I think it's a mental perception of us .

[Mu009]

Originally Posted by anumod

I don't think the metal quality has changed. I took my car to showroom the other day and checked the thud sound of my door with the new door. There was no change . On top of that the unladen weight is remaining unchanged. I think it's a mental perception of us .

That's why I said "possibly thinning sheet metal or not" - as ably quantified by Czarcarsam, that's something that isn't happening. If you see other posts above, I always thought it unlikely.
That said, thanks for sharing your experience - it can put even the final doubts to rest.
Cheers!

[roby_dk]

Not sure if I have to call it a good day or a bad day but Endy performed well saving me from an unfortunate accident happened yesterday while I was returning from my friends house in Noida. I was driving at a decent speed around 90-100 as far as I remember and since it was late night hours it gave me a fair chance to drive that fast in NCR where we are hardly able to achieve such speeds. A zen estillo suddenly came from opposite side of road taking a right turn in front of me while I got a little chance to avoid the scenario and my car front hit the left rear end of estillo. The impact was good enough to inflate the front and knee airbags. The left rear tyre of zen went missing and it took 3 turns before coming to stop while my car had enough frontal damage but was in straight line. I called PCR at the same moment and checked the other party which was also fine with minor bruises. Zen was driven by a female driver accompanied by his adult son.

While inside I didn't thought it will be that big damage to front. The car engine was turned off automatically and the emergency number was dialled by the system. Next day my vehicle was released and handed over to Gautam Budh Ford, Noida. I opted for the ICICI lombard zero dep this time and handed over the papers today. Approx quote as per initial investigation is 8-10 lakhs and I have to pay for the consumables which might be 15-20k. The insurance company person will be visiting next week post which I will get to know the exact figures. It will take 3-4 weeks to get the car back from service center once the claims are approved.

Good things is both parties were safe and the damage done was on respective vehicles which will be taken care by the insurance departments.

Any suggestions related to insurance or other jobs to get my car back to original condition are welcome.

Pics attached below.

[Czarcarsm]

Originally Posted by roby_dk

Not sure if I have to call it a good day or a bad day but Endy performed well saving me from an unfortunate accident happened yesterday while I was returning from my friends house in Noida.

Oh really glad to know that you are fine after a very unfortunate accident. At such speeds I am thinking the Estillo would have been decimated.
My Endy was broken into to steal a handbag left on the front passenger seat. Glass, beading, runner and a garnish needs replacement. Total cost expected around 8k. Decided to not use my insurance as no-claim bonus may be a shade higher. The issue is parts availability. Even the front left glass is not available readily in stock and I may have to wait up to 2 weeks. Don't expect your vehicle to be ready before 3-4 weeks.

[n.devdath]

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Originally Posted by roby_dk

Any suggestions related to insurance or other jobs to get my car back to original condition are welcome.

I would call it a good day. There are multiple instances of the airbags not inflating on Fortuners and much bigger impacts and at higher speeds and the fact that the 3 airbags which were supposed to inflate, did, is reassuring.

Further, ASCs tend to give overinflated estimates to the insurance Cos and though you need not pay for most of the cost, I would still recommend you get a copy of the estimate and post it here, will be a good reference point.

What is the status of the work now?

[SCORPION]

Originally Posted by roby_dk

Not sure if I have to call it a good day or a bad day but Endy performed well saving me from an unfortunate accident happened yesterday while I was returning from my friends house in Noida.

Roby_dk, I share your pain my friend. Really glad that you are safe and so are the people in the Zen. The Endy seems to have taken the impact well considering the speeds you think you may have been doing.

I hope your car is soon restored to it's original glory.

The earlier Cruze I owned was rear ended by a loaded MAN tractor trailer (car carrier) at a reasonable speed while I was stopped in traffic. The car was only a week old. The entire rear portion up to the rear glass was smashed. Why I am telling you this is because, body shops these days are so damn competent and my car was back to original in less than 2 weeks. I was stunned when I saw the car after the repair job. I had to shell out about 28k from my pocket from the 1.4 lakh bill since I didn't have bumper to bumper then.

I sincerely hope your dealer has a competent team in their body shop and that your Endy will be back with you in no time. Cheers!

Edit: Just my 2 cents, it's prudent to remove your number plate soon after you have taken the necessary photographs and all that for insurance purposes. Less publicity for your vehicle, better for you during resale. I don't know if others agree to this, but the first thing that the dealer rep told me to do soon after I reported the Cruze accident, was this, citing this reason. And I felt it was reasonable too. It's open for argument of course considering insurance claim logs and all that.

[Mu009]

Originally Posted by roby_dk

Not sure if I have to call it a good day or a bad day but Endy performed well saving me from an unfortunate accident happened yesterday

Good day sir, very good day.

While it makes my skin crawl to even begin to think how you must be feeling, allow me to try and comfort you with following (perhaps empty) words:
Anywhere, each time you complete a ride accident/incident-free, your probability for encountering such an incident goes up for your next trip. And then, we're living in India - where the number of incidents and probabilities are ridiculously high.
I know this can easily be derided as a stupid argument - one of my favourite jokes is the one about the statistician recommending you carry a bomb on a plane yourself as the surest way of precluding the possibility of someone trying to bomb the plane. Sure, a bad driver is more likely to have another accident the very next day after an incident than a good driver - but there are no guarantees.

And numbers and statistics do matter.

No matter how careful, sensible and law-abiding we are, how defensively we drive, and how safe our cars are, we're taking on an increasing probability of an incident every time we hit the road.
It's like when wise motorcyclists say - it's not "if" you crash, it's a question of "when".
My point being, that with the amount of driving we do, a certain number of incidents are almost inevitable. These incidents may be full blown accidents with dire consequences, or "mere" close shaves. So I tend to regard an incident such as yours as VERY, VERY GOOD.

Let me explain:
If it is inevitable that one must have an accident (there'll be "lucky" and "unlucky" people who might have no, less or more - outliers on the bell curve, to use the appropriate term), it's better to have the kind you just had.
It's a MAJOR incident, no doubt about that. But you weren't hurt, nor was the other party. You are therefore physically and mentally sound.
After this all important first thing is out of the way, consider - for even much smaller, almost inconsequential incidents, see the kind of consequences motorists have to deal with in India. Even this forum is full of stories of extortion after so called incidents - such a seemingly amicable immediate aftermath with both parties being so civilized is almost unheard of. And the mandatory third-party insurance simply goes unused in so many cases - it's all about on the spot extortion.
And that too in hot-headed NCR.

So I would say it's more than a good day - it's a "lucky" day, a great day. You get to walk away, forward towards your next chunk of incident-free miles with only monetary damage.

Originally Posted by Czarcarsm

My Endy was broken into to steal a handbag left on the front passenger seat.

Ouch! That's quite unfortunate. Where did this happen? (city, parking type) I had heard this sort of thing only about cities like London.

[SCORPION]

Originally Posted by Czarcarsm

My Endy was broken into to steal a handbag left on the front passenger seat. Glass, beading, runner and a garnish needs replacement. Total cost expected around 8k.

Reminds me of something which happened (due to my carelessness) to me a couple of months after I bought the Endy - mid 2016, due to my carelessness. I was loading the car preparing to drive back to Coimbatore from Bangalore. Both my hands full of luggage. I opened the boot door with the key fob. Rest of the doors remained locked. I put the luggage in and while arranging the luggage in the boot, I kept the key in the side of the boot.
Once I was satisfied that the luggage was safely secured, I shut the boot door with the button on the boot lid! Keys were inside! It was 5 am! All doors securely locked. There was no way I could open the doors. Spare key was at home in Coimbatore.

My Cruze was absolutely fool proof that way. It had sensors to tell you the key was inside the car. Wait, will it work if the keys were in the boot? No, it doesn't. I have the experience, now I remember.

It was not really an emergency situation although I had to reach Coimbatore by evening. I didn't want to wake the guy with the dealer emergency number at that relatively unearthly hour. So waited till it was around 7 and then called him. Also called the Ford helpline. This was when the Endy was fairly new in India. Both of them didn't know what to do other than asking me to contact the local dealers. So I had to wait until the showrooms in Bangalore opened.

In the meantime I thought of every trick I knew. I have opened a few car doors with the keys inside. But this was beyond my limited capability. I even tried the mobile phone trick with the spare key through a cousin in Coimbatore. No luck. Had to wait. Patience!

I called the local dealers at around 9.30. I was completely aghast when both of them said they couldn't do anything other than break one of the glasses and retrieve the key.

Lead time for replacement window for front glass was 4 weeks, as estimated by the guy. No way I was going to break the glass when I have a spare key lying at home. So now started looking at other options. Had to get back to Cbe by evening. Finally, discovered that flight ticket for the noon CJB-BLR was only about 2k. Immediately booked a flight for my, then jobless, cousin who flew to BLR with the spare key. Expensive mistake!

Now every time I open the boot, the key automatically goes into my pocket.