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Old 24th April 2018, 02:22   #2971
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Re: Ford Endeavour : Official Review

4 engines is highly unlikely. It would be more likely that they discontinue the current 2.2ltr version if they are bringing in 2 new engines.

The other spec and feature comments seem fine but 4 engines in Diesel would we weird. Plus 4x2 / 4x4 and MT/AT.

Not likely.
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4 engines is highly unlikely. It would be more likely that they discontinue the current 2.2ltr version if they are bringing in 2 new engines.

The other spec and feature comments seem fine but 4 engines in Diesel would we weird. Plus 4x2 / 4x4 and MT/AT.

Not likely.
I agree. I think Ford produces the 2.0L EcoBlue engine in multiple states of tune. In the long term, it might just be more efficient for them to use the 2.0L across the board with different power/torque/transmission combinations. It may also be possible that Ford may add a Titanium+ with this new 2.0L 210HP 10 Speed transmission Combo. The 2.0L seems to be an outstanding engine that is lighter, less noisy and more fuel efficient. Hope it is as durable as the 2.2L/ 3.2L or better.

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While the other upgrades seem in line with the facelift, the 2 liter engine and the 10 speed GB dont.

What I infer from that is that even if it is launched here in India, it will be priced significantly higher than the current lineup AND the customer will again be confused on what to buy, 2.2, 3.2, 2.0....6 speed, 10 speed, 2WD, 4WD...

Why cant Ford India have a clean product strategy?
This I totally agree with. The exact thing happened last time with just 2 engines. Customers were confused and the internal Forecast of Ford on which models to manufacture with which engines was icing on the cake to further the disaster. They were loaded with unsold inventory of 2.2 and all the while 3.2 had a 4 month waiting period. Then they discounted 2.2 heavily thus denting the image of 2.2. And finally 2.2 is relaunched with some more features.

Imagine if you throw 2 more engines and another gearbox in the mix. They will just drive customers away. Also the 10 speed with the new engine will be over 50 L on road leading to confusion among customers as then they will be positioned in a non-existent segment doing minuscule numbers. Unless they want to pitch against Volvo, GLE, Prado and Q7 with a serious price advantage.

My thoughts - stick to the current engine setup and add features and tune - all at the same price point and drive numbers up by weaning customers away from Fortuner. Fortuner has a 5 year product life cycle and that gives enough time for Ford to plan the strategy well.
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I think it is always a good idea to give as many options as possible to customer as long as company is able to sustain it and remains profitable. Customer never gets confused over variants, and chooses the best one that fits his/her requirements and budget. Toyota too sells innova, fortuner variants, spread over a more than 10L price difference.
Endeavour was developed by ford as a segment higher to fortuner, so probably they want to play that card here and try win more customers, by offering higher spec cars at price points, belonging to a segment above.

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It would be more likely that they discontinue the current 2.2ltr version if they are bringing in 2 new engines.
Its the same 2.0 Ecoblue engine in two different tunes.
Since they detuned ( 150 PS & 375Nm) the 2.2 engine, i don't think it make much sense to Indian market. I'm guessing they might bring 2.0 (180PS & 420Nm) & along with the existing 3.2 first followed by 2.0 ( 213PS & 500NM ) with 10AT sometime later. Also replacing the 2.2 with 2.0 will help them in case, if there is any diesel ban above 2000cc in future too.

2018 Everest owner's manual is available now. Better use chrome browser and translate to English.

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...rket=THA&div=f
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Re: Ford Endeavour : Official Review

Thanks to Ranveer Abhisekh for sending these images in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing them with other enthusiasts via this Team-BHP page!

Gangster looking, but the wheels & tyres are both oversized. Will be too problematic / impractical:
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Gangster looking, but the wheels & tyres are both oversized. Will be too problematic / impractical:]
So now you can get these monster 20" from dealers itself? So no issues with warranty?
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So now you can get these monster 20" from dealers itself? So no issues with warranty?
Also note the tail light covers . Didn't see these available at any of the Ford dealerships in Hyderabad!
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Also note the tail light covers . Didn't see these available at any of the Ford dealerships in Hyderabad!
Yup noticed that too. All these were easily available outside however never knew these 20" alloys now comes directly from dealers.
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So now you can get these monster 20" from dealers itself? So no issues with warranty?
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Also note the tail light covers . Didn't see these available at any of the Ford dealerships in Hyderabad!
This is the Capital Ford dealer in Cuttack, Odisha. My uncle took the delivery of his 3.2 Endy in January from the same dealer.

Back then, the dealer didn't have any of these accessories available. We were interested in the Ford grille and the those black tail lamp covers but the dealer was clueless. They were pushing for the Ford official bull bar but we opted out since Govt. had passed the order to ban bull bars.
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Yup noticed that too. All these were easily available outside however never knew these 20" alloys now comes directly from dealers.
Don't think a Ford dealer will officially involve themselves in such manifestly illegal modifications with the tyres sticking out miles from the fender. They would have sold the vehicle as is and got a disclaimer signed that these are aftermarket mods fitted completely at customer's discretion blah blah.

Net net, no liability to the dealer or to Ford here.
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Also note the tail light covers . Didn't see these available at any of the Ford dealerships in Hyderabad!
Many of these accessories are bought from local accessory shop and not genuine accessory. Though the dealer claims warranty for these, I doubt if they would be able to honor it. Anyway the warranties are typically for 1 year and these kind of accessory would hardly fail/ cause mechanical failures!
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Anyway the warranties are typically for 1 year and these kind of accessory would hardly fail/ cause mechanical failures!
Actually wheels with such a huge offset are likely to put stresses on the suspension that it was not designed for and would likely to lead to premature suspension failure.
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Actually wheels with such a huge offset are likely to put stresses on the suspension that it was not designed for and would likely to lead to premature suspension failure.
Oops, I meant only the tail light dressing and things like chrome accessories. The wheels are definitely going to impact ride, suspension etc.
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Oops, I meant only the tail light dressing and things like chrome accessories. The wheels are definitely going to impact ride, suspension etc.
Forget the void warranty for sure, they do not even look pleasing to the eye. The presence of the vehicle is marginalized by such modification apart from leading to mechanical issues. There is even a chance of axle cracks developing due to stress build-up apart from sensors behaving irrationally due to the offset. And, of course, tyre pressure monitor may have gone kaput from day one.

I am sure some dealers are willing to ignore these modifications in the interest of not losing a customer. However, the company should issue clear guidelines on what is acceptable on the part of the dealer till such time the vehicle is delivered. Else, there may be a squabble later on warranty (if there are issues) given this was done at dealer's premises prior to delivery. Both Ford and the dealer are "culpable" to some extent.
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