[AZT]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

Even the 'developed' countries are still continuing the research to use it as a preventive.

Yeah this article is from 21st May and the Lancet study, WHO stopping its trial, France Italy Belgium etc all banning it's use happened post 25th May so just pointing that out. This is how research works, you have newer findings and you build on those

[DigitalOne]

Originally Posted by Miyata

That's what makes it more suspicious (to me at least). First the HCQ was drummed up as curative. When evidence started to build against that, it has found new spotlight in preventive care!

While there has been no definitive studies on its efficacy as being preventive - https://www.goodrx.com/blog/coronavi...nt/#prevention -

It's all good to advertise it with backing of some credible scientific studies, but in its absence, one is better off being quiet - that way we (rather Mr.T) would do less harm to the world.

I don't think from a science standpoint it was changed from a cure to a preventive. There has always been parallel tracks running even if you were following from a scientific viewpoint.

Agree whole-heartedly to the Trump observation. Trump touting it as a wonder drug has made HCQ political and it is no longer a scientific question. People have just closed their minds to even the possibility that it might act as a prophylactic.

Also a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Chloroquine was studied ( Source 1 , Source 2 ) for the original SARS (2005 version).

So it is not that Chloroquine and HCQ came into prominence now.

Just keep an open curious mind

[DigitalOne]

Originally Posted by AZT

Yeah this article is from 21st May and the Lancet study, WHO stopping its trial, France Italy Belgium etc all banning it's use happened post 25th May so just pointing that out. This is how research works, you have newer findings and you build on those

And yet, the UK study for "HCQ as a preventive" is not stopped. I would be very very surprised if any ongoing study for "HCQ as a preventive" is stopped because of the Lancet study on actual Covid-19 patients.

I continue to keep an open mind till the UK and other study results come in. Till then, peace out!!

[AZT]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

I continue to keep an open mind till the UK and other study results come in. Till then, peace out!!

Yes please get back to all of us when any study in the world finds any benefit. Until then let's stick to what the WHO says

[Miyata]

Sooner or later most of us will have the nCov pay us a visit - might become a rite of passage for year 2020/21! I don't know if this has been shared earlier on the forum -

Source: How to Recover From Covid-19 at Home

buy basic supplies now including a thermometer, acetaminophen or ibuprofen, and rehydration drinks like Pedialyte.

A pulse oximeter can sometimes be helpful, both in flagging severe illness and in reassuring you of the opposite

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If you feel short of breath but your oxygen level is normal, you may be able to avoid the hospital. (You should still contact your doctor.)

benzonatate (for the cough) and promethazine (for the nausea) were lifesavers. Some colleagues were prescribed codeine-based cough medicine or Zofran. If you feel you might need them, ask your doctor about medications sooner rather than later.

Dry air can exacerbate some symptoms such as coughing and chest tightness. If you have a humidifier, use it. If not, a hot shower works.

In some cases, your doctor may also prescribe an albuterol inhaler to reduce your cough and ease your breathing.

...

Don’t expect a linear recovery

Give yourself as much time to rest as your job and financial situation will allow.

[sunilch]

So this may be deleted if this is against forum rules and I don't have a published source as yet but this is what I have now heard from a few folks in last 2-3 days:

Apparently one reason why we see such a large jump in Covid19 cases in and around Mumbai is that some of those patients are fake patients. They get tested and results come out as +ve and they are admitted to civic hospitals or civic body managed quarantine centers. After about 10-15 days they get discharged when the result is -ve. The reason for this that there is a money cycle involved in this. For each patient in quarantine facility, the local bodies get funds from State/Center government. Some of those patients are supposedly getting kickbacks.

While this could be speculation as well but I will not be surprised if this later comes out as true :(

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by sunilch

So this may be deleted if this is against forum rules and I don't have a published source as yet but this is what I have now heard from a few folks in last 2-3 days:

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While this could be speculation as well but I will not be surprised if this later comes out as true :(

I believe you are putting too much faith in whatsapp university knowledge, which probably is the source of above theory/rumor.

The above cycle is a perfectly valid scenario - worldwide its seen a majority >80% of +ve cases will not be affected more than as if its case of viral fever or similar. Infection rates are high across the Mumbai region, mostly asymptomatic. So the above cycle at quarantine centers is happening, leaving aside the money part (irrelevant if you ask me).

And no, not all are asked to go to centers. A call is taken basis the situation in the house. An infected case in my building, the girl lives in a 2bhk house. She's been quarantined in one room with attached bathroom, rest family tests came - ve and whole floor has been told to stay put at home.

But not everyone has the luxury of that setup. Hence the move to quarantine centers I believe.

[Sree]

How much money will need to be paid to get a volunteer to go and stay in a covid quarantine shelter. It may give us a rough idea of the value of life in India.

[Behemoth]

We can gradually see Covid creeping closer to us now. We live in Gurgaon (Delhi Ncr) in a block of 350 independent houses. There have been 4 reported cases in our block recently - one within 50 m of our house and others within 300m. All people were home quarantined. The numbers are far higher than reported in most states (as much as 5 times) as mentioned by the doctors in our family (some also doing Covid duty in government hospitals)

[Thermodynamics]

CDS releases first version of COVID-19 IISC model (Source)

Team
Lead: Prof. Sashikumar Ganesan and Prof. Deepak Subramani CDS, IISc Bangalore

It is a very advanced model, a six-dimensional population balance predictive computational model that tracks the distribution of infected population across the region, the age of the infected people, the day since infection, and the severity of infection, over a period of time. We can see nation wide as well as statewise predictions.

The model incorporates immunity, pre-medical history, effective treatment, point-to-point movement of infected population (e.g., by air, train etc), interactivity (community spread), hygiene and the social distancing of the population.

The model is open for everyone to access at this official link.
Data between 23 Mar and 27 May, 2020 is used to tune the parameters of the data-driven model. These results are current as of May 28, 2020. They update regularly to train the model, improving its accuracy.

Scenarios prediction

Current Trend:
Hits a peak of 4.1 lakh ‘Active Cases’ in the third week of September 2020. Further, there will be around 8 thousand ‘Active Cases’, 1.28 lakh deaths and 26 lakh toal cases at the end of March 2021.


Better Scenario: (Effective social distancing and other norms)
Hits a peak of 2.6 lakh 'Active Cases' in the first week of August 2020. Further, there will be around 95 ‘Active Cases’, 56.4 thousand deaths and 11.6 lakh total cases at the end of March 2021.

Worse Scenario: (Poor social distancing and other norms)
Hits a peak of 9.5 lakh ‘Active Cases’ in the second week of December 2020. Further, there will around 4.9 lakh ‘Active Cases’, 3.7 lakh deaths and 81 lakh total cases at the end of March 2021.

Current Trend with Sunday Lockdown:
Hits a peak of 1.2 lakh ‘Active Cases’ in the first week of August 2020. Further, there will be around 1000 ‘Active Cases’, 42.5 thousand deaths and 8.7 lakh total cases at the end of March 2021.

Current Trend with Sun & Wed Lockdown:
Hits a peak of 80 thousand Active Cases in the first week of June 2020. Further, there will around 108 ‘Active’ Cases, 18 thousand deaths and 3.7 lakh total cases at the end of March 2021.

[GrammarNazi]

There's a video doing rounds on WhatsApp of some company having security guards spray Alcohol based sanitiser(!!!) on vehicles and a bike catching fire.

IMO this was criminal negligence in the part of whoever signed off to approve it especially when Govt has laid clear guidelines of which disinfectant to use along with quantities for public places as well as vehicles. Here's a screenshot of the disinfectants recommended :

I have attached the PDF file of Guidelines by Karnataka Govt along with this post. It is in Kannada as well as English.

Maybe people should check & decide for themselves on excessive use of Alcohol based sanitiser even on hands will only kill the germs & viruses one is already immune to and that would leave people to be vulnerable to even other germs we may usually have in our surroundings. Also, Alcohol based sanitiser often does NOT clean skin as well as a soap wash does.



It will never be clear as to where exactly we stand with COVID cases. India is a very un-organised country viz difficult to manage. IMO this is why the Govt went directly into a seemingly draconian total lockdown, rather than relying on public to maintain social distancing even in the smallest way. All we can do is be prudent of where we go & whom we meet.

Next, we really really need to research how many deaths does every % drop in GDP possibly cause. Country needs to vehemently fight back the de-growth.

[BoneCollector]

Bollywood music composer Wajid Khan of Sajid-Wajid fame died yesterday due to complications arising out of COVID19. He had undergone renal transplant some time back and had renal infection.

Link

[AZT]

Some Good News

1. ‘Coronavirus Cooking Survey’ Finds That People Are Eating Healthier and Wasting Less Food

Based on analysis of answers to the survey by 11,000 people in 11 countries, consumers reported fewer purchases of microwave-prepared foods, and fewer purchases of sweet and salty snacks.

“Consumption of salty, fat and sweet products usually goes up when people are under stress, but during the pandemic this heightened craving has been fulfilled in many countries with home-baked delicacies,” said Charlotte De Backer, chairman of FOOMS, a research group on food and media at U. Antwerp.

Read More: https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/peop...vid-shutdowns/

2. Another coronavirus vaccine candidate might be ready sooner than expected

Pfizer said the candidate it’s developing with BioNTech could be ready by October if everything goes well

Read More: https://bgr.com/2020/05/30/coronavir...rials-october/

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by GrammarNazi

Maybe people should check & decide for themselves on excessive use of Alcohol based sanitiser even on hands will only kill the germs & viruses one is already immune to and that would leave people to be vulnerable to even other germs we may usually have in our surroundings. Also, Alcohol based sanitiser often does NOT clean skin as well as a soap wash does.

This is confusing. People, in general (eg me) are not qualified to decide matters of microbiology and immunity for themselves.

How can sanitizer "only kill the germs & viruses one is already immune to"? How would it know! As far as I have read, a suitable alcohol-based sanitizer is effective against this corona virus.

It is a very useful option when soap and water is not available, or for sanitising things where washing is not appropriate. We have a can of IPA, and make our own dilution which we use in a spray bottle. It is probably even more inflammable in this form, and no, we don't use near flame etc.

The video you mention has been posted on another thread. It is scary to see, and obscenely ignorant that someone has instructed to use alcohol in this way.

[Dr.Naren]

96 % of active cases in Karnataka are Asymptomatic!!



Most of the districts in KA are testing all the people coming back from MH. This should be the reason as most of the cases in KA since last couple of days are from MH.