[whencut86]

Originally Posted by Oxy

I don't see the Pixel 6 series being priced any lower than 75k in India, so it's not something that an average joe (like me) can afford

It's a huge bummer that Google has decided not to bring the 5a to India, would surely have grabbed one.

The in-house WhiteChapel chipset is going to be in the performance range of SD870. This is going to be launched when phones with SD895 are going to be released this year. So I don't see them pricing this too high. Since the chipset is to be manufactured only for Pixel phones they may not have to pay a royalty to Qualcomm.

I expect the pricing to be from 50K to 80K for the Pixel 6 series with Pixel 6 128GB variant at 50K and the Pixel 6 Pro 512GB variant at 80K. This if at all they launch in India during October. With the rumours hinting at 5 years of updates, I hope Pixel 6 series will get atleast 3-4 years of OS updates if not 5 and the remaining 1-2 years of Security updates.

Personally it would make sense to get one even at 80K and retain for 4-5 years and then upgrade. I hope they launch this in India and don't ditch Indians like they did with Pixel 4 and Pixel 5. I would gladly trade-in my Pixel 3 for a Pixel 6 Pro. But my mind says they may stick to only mid range phones in India and not launch the Pixel 6 series at all. We will see come October what they plan to do with Pixel 6 series in India. If they indeed don't launch the Pixel 6 series, then I am thinking of jumping to the iPhone bandwagon. May get a iPhone 12 pro or a 13 Pro and try and hold on to one for 4 years atleast.

[dragonfire]

Originally Posted by whencut86

The in-house WhiteChapel chipset is going to be in the performance range of SD870.

I guess Google, despite trying for more than a decade hasn't been able to figure out what they want to do with their phones.

First the G series phones, which were absolute disasters, then the nexus line and the pixel line which tasted moderate successes, they don't seem to have a clue where they want to place their phones.

After the G series trash, the Nexus line had some really good phones, but they dilly dallied between the value game (Nexus 5, 5X) and premium game (6, 6P) many a time, thus failing to earn for themselves a loyal fan following.

Then came the Pixel line where one thought they were all set on playing the premium game, and when the third iteration bombed, suddenly jumped into the value game with the 3A. After tasting success with the 3A and 4A, they continued playing the value game with the 5 and 5A.

Will they play the value game again with the 6? Does not look like, looking at the spec sheet.

[VWAllstar]

Scheduled Auto switch on/off option in Samsung Phones

There was an option in my previous phone (MI) to schedule an auto switch off / on the phone. I had scheduled it to switch off at 4 in the morning and switch back on at 7.

I am not able to find the same on my new Samsung F62 phone. Searched online and there too few people are disappointed of not having this on Samsung devices. There is an auto restart option which does not serve the purpose.

Anyone is aware of this on their samsung devices?

Side Panel

Its a good feature but opening it is a pain. Most time when you swipe it to the left the second home screen opens up. You need to be trye twice to open it. Any tips? May be can we shift it to any other place on the screen?

[whencut86]

Originally Posted by dragonfire

Will they play the value game again with the 6? Does not look like, looking at the spec sheet.

They are kind off playing the value game by giving 2 generation old top end processor with 2/3 cameras and a P-OLED screen from LG. The costs should be cheaper than a Samsung AMOLED panel as well. So if they can price it right, they can see very good sales numbers assuming their cameras live up to the Pixel standards.

[AYP]

Originally Posted by VWAllstar

Side Panel

Its a good feature but opening it is a pain. Most time when you swipe it to the left the second home screen opens up. You need to be trye twice to open it. Any tips? May be can we shift it to any other place on the screen?

Congrats on the F62. Apart from owning cars from the same brands, we both now own a Samsung with the same processor.

I keep the side panel on the top right. Do check if that's better for you. When you press on the side panel for long, it gets highlighted in blue and then can be moved vertically. It can also be moved up to the other side of the screen as well. Might be useful for the lefties.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Rajeevraj

I started looking at phones again after 3+ years and it is so confusing.

Almost thinking of dropping the plan and let the Nokia run as much as it would.

I have personally decided to wait for something called the Motorola Edge 20. It appears to offer a lot for my liking such as:

1. Slim form factor (weighs 165g). This is important to me as I am tired of welding a 220g plus brick. Most phones with a case weigh that much and I find it inconvenient.

2. Moto is probably the only phone manufacturer apart from Google (Pixels) that gives you a stock android experience devoid of any bloat or ads. Even the Samsung M series comes with a lot of bloat and ads these days and hence it's no longer any different from Xiaomi or Realme. In my opinion, if you are considering a Samsung, then buy only their flagship S or Z series because you might as well save some money owning a Xiaomi or Realme instead of buying a Samsung M or A series phone.

3. Comes with a brand new SD 778G processor which is built at 6nm and is supposedly very power efficient.

4. Stellar set of cameras atleast on paper: 108MP main, 16MP wide angle, 8MP telephoto.

5. OLED display, which is going to be a drastic shift for Moto. So far even their flagships used to come with IPS LCD displays.

The only major con that I see is potentially poor battery life as it comes with a paltry 3750 mah battery capacity. But it does come with a 33W fast charger and a power efficient processor could help stretch it till the end of the day.

Other than this, the successor of the iconic Samsung M51 is supposedly coming too (the M52) with the same SD 778G chipset but a reduced battery capacity (5000 mah instead of the 7000 on the M51). If an absolutely clean and bloat free experience is not important to you, this can be worth the wait as well.

[nibedk]

Originally Posted by Oxy

2. Moto is probably the only phone manufacturer apart from Google (Pixels) that gives you a stock android experience devoid of any bloat or ads. Even the Samsung M series comes with a lot of bloat and ads these days and hence it's no longer any different from Xiaomi or Realme. In my opinion, if you are considering a Samsung, then buy only their flagship S or Z series because you might as well save some money owning a Xiaomi or Realme instead of buying a Samsung M or A series phone.

Apart from Pixel its only Nokia which comes with stock Android experience. Even Moto has few functionalities/software of their own like Moto Gestures etc. Unfortunately Nokia has stopped releasing their best and latest in India. I have a Nokia 6.1 Plus which stills serves me well. The OS updates are done but still get the monthly security updates well into the third year. Few more months still till the security updates stop.

Moto OS/security updates are not as good and am not sure if they even promise 2 OS updates. The less said about the security updates the better.
I for one would give Moto a miss. If Nokia doesn't start pushing their premium and upper mid range phones my next one will be Pixel for sure. I don't think I will ever change my mind about Apple products. Most companies are there for profit and but the way Apple loots people no else does.

[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by nibedk

Moto OS/security updates are not as good and am not sure if they even promise 2 OS updates. The less said about the security updates the better.
I for one would give Moto a miss.

I bought a Motorola phone in 2019 which was launched in 2018 with Android 8. I got Android 10 and still getting monthly security updates. Maybe you are talking about some Motorola models which come with Mediatek and Samsung chipsets, which surely are not supported consistently due to the poor support by their chipset manufacturers.

Coincidentally I had Motorola before the current phone as well which was released with Android kitkat and received Android 5 and 6 updates.

Originally Posted by Oxy

The only major con that I see is potentially poor battery life as it comes with a paltry 3750 mah battery capacity. But it does come with a 33W fast charger and a power efficient processor could help stretch it till the end of the day.

Motorola uses LED display panels in their low capacity battery models to enhance the battery performance using their Moto Display feature which was developed when Motorola was owned by Google and was first introduced in MotoX 1st gen. There are few nifty features in the 'Moto' app added over the stock Android which enhances the user experience. You are spoiled with those features once you get used to of them, like chop-chop to launch the torch and twist the wrist to quickly launch the camera. Few other nifty feature are also handy like peak display (formerly known as Moto display) and attentive display.

I miss the offline voice command feature I had in my previous Motorola phone, unfortunately that feature is now discontinued. You can name your phone anything you want and ask it do few usual tasks even if it's not connected to the internet. You can even make your phone to announce incoming calls and messages on loudspeaker for certain period of time if you are not going to be in the situation of picking it up for certain duration. I used to use that feature a lot in car for navigation. The current online voice features in the Google Assistant are hit or miss most of the times. That offline voice feature was the only true hands-free feature in the mobiles I have seen so far.

To give you an idea about how bloatware free the Motorolas usually are, see these are the services currently running in my phone, this phone gives me 2-3 days of battery backup:

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by tbppjpr

...There are few nifty features in the 'Moto' app...

You forgot wave over screen to silence . I used that a ton on my XT1225 (Moto Turbo).

2014 phone with a 500+ ppi OLED screen and a monster battery with 1st-gen quick charging. What a device it was, still have it stashed away somewhere.

[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

You forgot wave over screen to silence . I used that a ton on my XT1225 (Moto Turbo).

2014 phone with a 500+ ppi OLED screen and a monster battery with 1st-gen quick charging. What a device it was, still have it stashed away somewhere.

Oh yeah, I was just trying to recall what I forgot.

They used 3 infrared sensors in 3 corners of the 2nd gen Moto X which made it capable to work even in the pitch dark night. I think this was most used feature by me to check the notifications in that AMOLED screen.

Motorola introduced Atrix 1st gen with finger print sensor a decade ago which felt like some high tech gadget from James Movie. That sensor was placed on top edge of the phone.

Sometimes I feel like we are going back in terms of innovations instead of going forward. Today's mobile phone devices are just merely big display panels to show advertisements more prominently to rig the human brains, no more scope of ergonomics or usability left in them.

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by tbppjpr

...
They used 3 infrared sensors in 3 corners of the 2nd gen Moto X which made it capable to work even in the pitch dark night...

Same on the Turbo!

Touch to wake? Pfft. How about 'hover to wake' on nearly a decade-old device.

[nibedk]

Originally Posted by tbppjpr

I bought a Motorola phone in 2019 which was launched in 2018 with Android 8. I got Android 10 and still getting monthly security updates. Maybe you are talking about some Motorola models which come with Mediatek and Samsung chipsets, which surely are not supported consistently due to the poor support by their chipset manufacturers.

Coincidentally I had Motorola before the current phone as well which was released with Android kitkat and received Android 5 and 6 updates.

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To give you an idea about how bloatware free the Motorolas usually are, see these are the services currently running in my phone, this phone gives me 2-3 days of battery backup:

Well agree to all the points mentioned. I have been a Nexus and Moto user before switching to Nokia and the reason being slightly better build quality of Nokia in the same price range. Google suddenly went premium with Pixel line and though it bought back the "A" version which were more of mid tier and still had a premium.

Also Lenovo took over from Google and acquired Moto. Its been a few 4-5 years when I moved from Moto to Mi A and then to Nokia. What I have read as per reviews its the newer Motos which do not promise 2 OS upgrades and monthly security upgrades are erratic. Recently got a G40 for father and will see how good it is now.

But most reviews point out Pixel and Nokia being the best as far as timely upgrades are concerned. Nokia based on experience and Moto based on what I have read in the last 12-18 months. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by nibedk

But most reviews point out Pixel and Nokia being the best as far as timely upgrades are concerned.

Unfortunately Nokia have lost their relevance in India. You cannot expect them to be taken seriously when their most recent launch has a Helio G35 processor and costs 14k. That phone will struggle to move off the shelves even at 8k. God only knows what kind of weed these guys smoke.

[nibedk]

Originally Posted by Oxy

Unfortunately Nokia have lost their relevance in India. You cannot expect them to be taken seriously when their most recent launch has a Helio G35 processor and costs 14k. That phone will struggle to move off the shelves even at 8k. God only knows what kind of weed these guys smoke.

Yeah am aware but looks more like supply issues with the pandemic around . They just launched one phone and I expect the next gen phones to be launched.

I agree that the entry level and mid level model when launched are usually costly but are discounted pretty quickly as well. Currently I have 2 Nokias a 6.1 Plus bought for 4.8 K post exchange and a 8.1 for around 15 K post exchange. Both are close to 2+ years and should last a year more. What more does one want? 2 years of OS updates and 3 years of security updates for less than 5 K a year. And both these had good enough processors when they were launched.

The problem has been them not launching any premium phones in India since the last generation. My phones would go on for at least another 1-1.5 years. Will wait to see what Nokia or Google or Moto plan for India else vanilla Android phones which are good as well may become a dream for us Indians.

Earlier LG and Samsung as well used to support pure Android but that too has stopped. Hardly any options for folks like us. Pixel somehow seems confused more of neither here nor there. They aren't going after the premium market full fledged nor are they really budget flagship and that's where the problem lies for Android.

[civic-sense]

Originally Posted by nibedk

Most companies are there for profit and but the way Apple loots people no else does.

I know it is an age old debate, yet I think I should chime in with my objection. Take the iPhone 12, for example. At 70-75K they give their best proc, a stellar display, a superb camera (that gives more usable photos per hundred than any camera out there), a fast, fluid and bloat free software and 5 years of guaranteed OS updates on the very same day the new OS versions are launched. Tell me any android flagship that come even close.

Yes, the pro max is expensive at 1.25L. But what does the Galaxy ultra cost?