[Venku2015]

Originally Posted by PrasunBannerjee

At 2:23, he mentions that Hardtop is removable but not so easy to remove and fit again. and also, Mahindra doesn't guarantee waterproofing once the hardtop has been removed.

Yet to be seen if they claim removing the hardtop voids the warranty.

Mahindra should have designed a removable front part of the hard top above the front seats, just like the Wrangler. This way, there would not be any problem of water leaking into the cabin as well people would get a nice feel of open top driving. I hope someone from Mahindra reads this and implements this option which shouldn't be too hard.

[Pancham]

Originally Posted by tilt

The trouble is, none of these so called reviewers, not a single one (yes I watched them all) has the numbers right. Please refer to the brochure I attached. It clearly shows how the departure angle in the old Thar is slightly better than the current one; yet every single reviewer claimed the identical number saying that the new one is better.

Probably they were merely quoting whatever Mahindra told them to say; which makes me believe that Mahindra outright lied.

Cheers

New vs. old comparison (Source: Review vlog by Evo India)

1. Approach angle: 42 degrees vs. 44
2. Departure angle: 37 degrees vs. 27
3. Ramp-over angle: 27 degrees vs. 15 degrees
4. Ground clearance: 226 mm vs. 200mm
5. Water wading: 650mm vs. 550mm
6. Torque (Diesel): 300 NM @ 1600-2800 rpm vs. 247 NM @1800-2000 rpm
7. Power: 130bhp @ 3750 rpm vs. 105 bhp @ 3800 rpm

If these numbers are correct, I don't see why reviewers calling the 'new Thar better than the old one' is a problem or such a big issue. Other than the approach angle the new Thar has improved (on paper) on every other aspect it seems.

[balenoed_]

Originally Posted by Venku2015

Mahindra should have designed a removable front part of the hard top above the front seats, just like the Wrangler.

Basically. a sun roof!

Yeah, would have been great to add to the whims of having this as a "Lifestyle" vehicle. I wonder why M&M did not.

[AirbusCapt]

Originally Posted by Pancham

New vs. old comparison (Source: Review vlog by Evo India)

1. Approach angle: 42 degrees vs. 44
2. Departure angle: 37 degrees vs. 27
3. Ramp-over angle: 27 degrees vs. 15 degrees
4. Ground clearance: 226 mm vs. 200mm
5. Water wading: 650mm vs. 550mm
6. Torque (Diesel): 300 NM @ 1600-2800 rpm vs. 247 NM @1800-2000 rpm
7. Power: 130bhp @ 3750rpm vs. 105 bhp @ 3800 rpm

If these numbers are correct, I don't see why reviewers calling the 'new Thar better than the old one' is a problem or such a big issue. Other than the departure angle the new Thar has improved (on paper) on every other aspect it seems.

Other than approach angle, I think you meant to say. That too will improve with an off-road or metal bumper.

Relating to the same video, the water glass test says it all in terms of suspension. I guess the new Thar's ride comfort seems to be in line with most other Suv out there.

[Sutripta]

Any thoughts/ comments on the hinge design for the doors?

Sutripta

[Torquedo]

Found out something on the Thar official website, the AX and AX Opt shall be available in the Red and Black colour options only, tried a few combinations, these are the only 2 colour options.

I still rue the fact that petrol Manual is not available with a Hard Top and why the petrol, thanks to the NGT ruling in NCR. Cannot live with the soft top for 10 years, maybe a couple would make sense.

After owning the Optra & Hexa in the past and having test driven the Harrier, Rapid and Duster 1.3 in the past 2 weeks, I'm pinning my hopes on a right price for the Thar, as the 3 stated above do not make the cut for the price and feel they offer.

Having said that, looking at the pricing of the Scorpio, XUV3OO and other products from the Mahindra stable, I am safely assuming this to be 12-16 ex-showroom, though Anand Mahindra keeps his generosity publicised on various platforms, when it comes to pricing his vehicles, he is nowhere close to being generous.

[drifter]

Originally Posted by GTO

Which dimwit thought of giving carpeting in an off-roading Jeep? Even my 1997 Classic had carpeting. Someone at the company clearly loves them. In the rains and when you offroad, the carpeting gets wet, stays wet, start smelling and is the most difficult to clean. A totally stupid decision.

I'll either remove it or replace it with rubber in mine.

Why is a carpet dimwitted? One can always remove it. Most owners will never need to. Carpets in a hard top vehicle...don't think it's stupid at all. A manufacturer will make for the majority, while the minority is free to to remove stuff they don't like. Not rocket science

[Vikram Arya]

Originally Posted by Sutripta

Any thoughts/ comments on the hinge design for the doors?

Sutripta

The idea that the exposed hinges somehow convey the impression of being rugged/badass is well, passé and of course mostly perpetuated by Jeep (they decided to retain it on the newer JL as well).

This is one more area that is an impending rust magnet especially in areas with more than average precipitation besides hindering the possible clean lines on the door.

In the grand scheme of things this design element (among many others) ostensibly keeps the Thar closer to its Jeep heritage (or so it seems that the design team at Mahindra & a majority of Thar’s potential owners would like to believe).

[Stacko]

Originally Posted by Torquedo

I am safely assuming this to be 12-16 ex-showroom, though Anand Mahindra keeps his generosity publicised on various platforms, when it comes to pricing his vehicles, he is nowhere close to being generous.

He is quite generous when it comes to tweeting, well pricing is a different ball game altogether. Small margins, higher volumes = bigger profits. They have already won creating a desirability quotient for this product, pricing will be a key factor to get actual sales figures.

[Sutripta]

^^^
Tomes have been written about the exposed door hinges in a Jeep - essentially on legacy/ heritage/ design element oozing ruggedness and masculinity etc. Wasn't focussing on that.

If you look at the design of the hinge itself it seems to be one where one can remove the door by just pulling it up.

Sutripta

[navpreet318]

Originally Posted by Sutripta

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If you look at the design of the hinge itself it seems to be one where one can remove the door by just pulling it up.......

Nope. Have a close look at the hinge design. It has 3 sections. Two equal ones at the top and at the bottom there is a small section say about .2 of an inch.
So either the nut in the hinge is threaded or heat riveted.
So I don't thing it can be lifted off.

Also I don't remember where but I saw a pic of a Thar without the doors. The hinges were present there which means that the bolts of the hinge where is is attached to the body has to be removed.

[Sutripta]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

Nope. Have a close look at the hinge design. It has 3 sections. Two equal ones at the top and at the bottom there is a small section say about .2 of an inch.

Taking a close look is the problem right now! So if someone could oblige.

Missed out on the small bottom part in the pictures I saw.

Wonder why the shift from the Bolero door hinges.

Sutripta.

[navpreet318]

Originally Posted by Sutripta

Taking a close look is the problem right now! So if someone could oblige.

.....

Here. Found a picture on this thread itself. Shows the hinge in a pretty close view. Have a look.

[Sutripta]

^^^
OK. The bottom 'retainer' is visible. Might be the head of the pin which is pushed in from the bottom, in which case something is holding the pin in place preventing it from falling out.

Sutripta

[GTO]

Originally Posted by Pancham

I had even started watching Malayalam videos after I finished watching every single English and Hindi video on Thar 2 times over. And yes, I don't understand Malayalam.

Same here. Last night, I briefly left the family room where the news was on, to watch Sirish's offroading video. I have NEVER done this for any other car. Have fallen for this Jeep, hook + line + sinker. Trust me, it is taking enormous willpower to wait a year (or two) for my Thar.