[rarit26]

Originally Posted by Cadd7027

Awesome!! I am also targeting the same variant and gearbox.

Can you share the AC performance, anything to be worried ?
I have been in touch with Whitefield one but no offers. I will check with JP nagar branch as well.

Any tricks for getting the discount is also appreciated

The AC worked pretty fine on a hot BLR day. But I was a little surprised (not in a good way) with the power delivery of the 1.0. I'd heard it was as peppy as the 1.2 TSI, but the gearbox kinda mellows the power delivery. The engine is quite noisy too - need to look at ways to dampen the bonnet maybe. Efficiency in the first couple of days has been between 6 - 6.6 kmpl - not happy with this too (The octy feels better now at in city efficiancy now)

On discounts - look for a color/variant they might have in stock for over 90 days - they consider that old stock - Also helps if you own another VW/Skoda (loyalty bonus).

[Cadd7027]

Originally Posted by rarit26

The AC worked pretty fine on a hot BLR day. But I was a little surprised (not in a good way) with the power delivery of the 1.0. I'd heard it was as peppy as the 1.2 TSI, but the gearbox kinda mellows the power delivery. The engine is quite noisy too - need to look at ways to dampen the bonnet maybe. Efficiency in the first couple of days has been between 6 - 6.6 kmpl - not happy with this too (The octy feels better now at in city efficiancy now)

These insights are extreamly helpful !!

Thats adds into my confusion between Taigun 1.0 AT and Elevate CVT

Background : I drove my friends Grand Vitara AT (Mild Hybrid) and with 4 folks was finding it really difficult to overtake the trucks/trailers, so forget about cruising cars. I had to plan those well in advance and then work with paddles. This became really cumbersome, and I realized I was not enjoying my drive. No sure if that's the case only with that car but 102 BHP seems less.

Then I decided I need an "adequately powered car" also my budget is 17L Exshowroom. So I cant venture 1.5s of Taigun or Seltos

I understand Taigun is Turbo v/s non-turbo and gearbox difference. If a take a look at the specs the Honda has a few more horses and Taigun has 40 NM more.

My understanding Honda will be have a slight advantage on ASS and reliability and city drives. However, if its performance will be similar to GV AT (Mild Hybrid). I will have to drop from my probables and go for Taigun

Would love to hear some expert opinions here. Will Honda CVT provide similar performance in line with Taigun 1.0 AT ?

[Autosaur]

Originally Posted by Cadd7027

Thanks for your feedback. Have you taken the delivery of BS6-P.2 or its a BS6-P.1 ?
As per the SA the BS6-P.2 has absolutely no issues. However, such forum discussions are making me think twice b4 I go ahead with Taigun 1.0 AT

Vehicle is June23 manufactured so BS6-P.2.

Even before the purchase, I expected the AC to not be great due to all that has been written about it and the test drive. Post puechase I am not surprised with the issues but still not regretting buying the Taigun.

This is my second VW, I guess most folks who buy VW in India know it won't be the best in terms of features, service experience, VFM and yet they buy a VW as it excels in other areas that matter to them more (For me: Safety, Handling, Styling, Clever design touches and a reliable paint job clinched the deal in that order).

One more thing do check out the Lava Blue color if you take the plunge with Taigun. I wasn't sure initally but now can confidently the color just works on Taigun. Wish there are more Lava Blue Taigun's on the road so I can look at them rather than just sitting inside one.

[Explorer...]

Originally Posted by Autosaur

Vehicle is June23 manufactured so BS6-P.2.

Even before the purchase, I expected the AC to not be great due to all that has been written about it and the test drive. Post puechase I am not surprised with the issues but still not regretting buying the Taigun.

How bad is the AC? Since you are in Bangalore and it feels inadequate, I am not sure if we can manage Delhi peak summer with VW AC. Can you please shed more light on AC performance (what temperature you set, do you like polar climate or moderate?, etc.)

I am confused between Elevate (head) and Virtus (heart). Need to get some clarity on some doubts before I take the plunge.

[Cadd7027]

Originally Posted by Autosaur

Vehicle is June23 manufactured so BS6-P.2.
One more thing do check out the Lava Blue color if you take the plunge with Taigun. I wasn't sure initally but now can confidently the color just works on Taigun. Wish there are more Lava Blue Taigun's on the road so I can look at them rather than just sitting inside one.

Great thanks for the inputs. I am also blown away with Lava Blue colour
Since you are a long term vw Owner in Bengaluru.

Can you guide me which dealers/service centers are good in the city whom I can reach out ?

[Autosaur]

Originally Posted by Explorer...

How bad is the AC? Since you are in Bangalore and it feels inadequate, I am not sure if we can manage Delhi peak summer with VW AC. Can you please shed more light on AC performance (what temperature you set, do you like polar climate or moderate?, etc.)

I like moderately cool cabin, the AC should be able to manage that for Delhi summers but with a noisy blower at high fan speeds. For comparision, this AC feels similar in how fast it cools to my Polo TDI (but weaker than a Dzire). Peak summers in Gurgaon/Panipat were manageable in the Polo.

Originally Posted by Cadd7027

Great thanks for the inputs. I am also blown away with Lava Blue colour
Since you are a long term vw Owner in Bengaluru.

Can you guide me which dealers/service centers are good in the city whom I can reach out ?

I moved to Bengaluru recently - my long term Polo ownership is spread across a few cities but not Bengaluru. Here after researching Team-BHP and speaking to a few folks, I zeroed in on PPS Motors for the purchase. Till now the experience is good, can't comment on service experience yet.

[TJ02]

Originally Posted by Explorer...

How bad is the AC? Since you are in Bangalore and it feels inadequate, I am not sure if we can manage Delhi peak summer with VW AC. Can you please shed more light on AC performance (what temperature you set, do you like polar climate or moderate?, etc.)

My friend has been using the Taigun 1.0 AT in Delhi summers (2 seasons) no complaints as such. I do not think you should bother about AC so much, go with your heart.

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by rarit26

The AC worked pretty fine on a hot BLR day. But I was a little surprised (not in a good way) with the power delivery of the 1.0. I'd heard it was as peppy as the 1.2 TSI, but the gearbox kinda mellows the power delivery. The engine is quite noisy too - need to look at ways to dampen the bonnet maybe. Efficiency in the first couple of days has been between 6 - 6.6 kmpl - not happy with this too (The octy feels better now at in city efficiancy now)

An actual comparison would be between the 1.0 TSI and the 1.2 TSI in the Polo. Comparing the 1.2 TSI in the Polo with the 1.0 TSI in the Taigun is not fair. The Taigun is 200+ kilos heavier than the Polo.

It also depends on which AT gearbox you were driving. The DSG in the Polo GT TSI would obviously be better than the TC in the Taigun. The 1.0 TSI is a 3 pot compared to the 4 pot 1.2 TSI. Thus the refinement of the 1.0 TSI is less compared to the 1.2 TSI.

Where the 1.0 TSI shines is in its torque characteristics. Compare the torque curve of the 1.0 TSI with the 1.2 TSI. And you will note the difference and come to appreciate why the 1.0 TSI is such a celebrated engine.

Turbo petrols are thirsty engines and low mileage is part of the territory. It doesnt help that VW doesnt sugarcoat the mileage display either.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Cadd7027

Would love to hear some expert opinions here. Will Honda CVT provide similar performance in line with Taigun 1.0 AT ?

Both the Honda 1.5 iVtec CVT and Taigun 1.0 TSI AT are completely different animals. One is a high revving NA engine with a smooth gearbox with a subdued rubber band effect. The other is a small turbo petrol begging you to stay in the mid range along with a quick shifting Torque Converter. The only thing they have in common are similar power/torque figures.

I would suggest to take a test drive of both and decide accordingly. They have their own drive characteristics and appeal. Check which one suits your driving style better.

Cheers

[MysticMind]

As this forum has umpteen posts about unreliability of the DSG gear system, I want to understand if opting for the Taigun 1.0 TSI Topline AT or 1.5 GT Plus Manual variant make the choice a reliable/troublefree option.

Apart from the Aircon and window switches, are there any major niggles and issues reported for the non-dsg variants?

When I took a test drive recently, Sales rep admitted that there were issues with the service before but it has improved a lot recently. He also said that the overseas models like Tiguan need outsourcing of parts resulting in service delays, but the Taigun is built in India and hence such problems will not surface with it. But again, it's difficult to trust SA's anyways. Their only objective is meeting sales targets.

I loved the handling of Taigun and the slick DSG shifts but worried about all the negative posts about VW.

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by MysticMind

Apart from the Aircon and window switches, are there any major niggles and issues reported for the non-dsg variants?

I would like to give my 2 cents. I have been a comparatively long time VW owner based out of Bangalore. I purchased the VW Polo 1.2 MPI in 2014 (Based on the PQ26 Platform), which I used for 8 happy years. Finally sold it in March 2022, as the 1.2 MPI engine just wasn't cutting it for me any more.

I replaced the Polo with the VW Taigun GT+ DSG (Based on the MQB-A0 IN Platform) in May of 2022. And I couldnt be happier.

Talking about niggles, there are a few to report. It does boil down to the basic differences between the 2 platforms (PQ vs MQB). We in India have been used to the PQ platform (Polo/Vento). The structure, design as well as functionality was similar. As far as I understand, VW has only used the PQ platform in the mass market segment in India since the launch of the Polo. So our benchmarks on what a "Volkswagen" should be are based on that platform.

Now talking about the MQB-A0 platform, that's where we see the difference. It is completely different with respect to its structure/design & functionality. I have sat in the Taigun/T-Roc & New Tiguan. All based on the MQB-Ax platform. They are all similar in feel. That being said the Indian suppliers who are contributing to the Taigun (As its highly localized), are not up to the quality levels of the initial PQ25 yet. It shows in how plush the T-Roc and Tiguan (CBUs) are in comparison to the Taigun.

• The roof liner was shoddy on launch, they had fixed it by the time I purchased my GT+
• The power window motors are too slow
• The driver side one touch up-down needed a service patch to work properly
• The steering wheel lacks essential buttons (Mute, Call Connect/Disconnect)
• The AC cooling is not comparable to other brands (21C in Taigun is 24C in my wife's Baleno)
• The seat upholstery is underwhelming and downright shoddy in some places.
• The seat cooling function is noisy I have heard (Even though my GT+ doesnt have it).
• The boot floor is extremely flimsy

All the above point to a new/fresh baked product that needs further improvements. I am confident that the facelift will address most if not all of them.

But its not a bad car by any margin.

• Its a safe car. I am happy to know that in the event of an impact, the body shell will protect me and my family.
• The car looks fast, feels fast and is fast. Its one of those cases, where the show matches the go. Actually I have shocked other drivers on the road with how quickly I can cover gaps.
• The engine is devastatingly good. Drive around town below 2000 rpm, no need to scare anybody on the road Find a rowdy driver on the road and an open stretch? Show them who is boss, above 2000 rpm
• The DSG gearbox is sublime. The shifts are imperceptible and right when you need them. Upshifts are quick to conserve on fuel economy and downshifts are purposeful on accelerator input. The Taigun in Sports mode is a different animal altogether. You can keep up with serious cars with serious torque very well in sports mode.
• The suspension is perfectly balanced, soft enough to be comfortable, but hard enough so the car doesn't bounce around at any speed.
• The ergonomics are perfect, everything is where it should be. The attention to detail is amazing. For eg, the USB C ports are backlit, to ensure you can plug in your devices properly in the dark. Contrast this with other cars where even the window switches some times are not backlit.
• The seats are firm but comfortable.
• The ICE is lovely and with Android Auto, extremely useful and precise. No bugs in it whatsoever.
• I love the "White" cabin lights compared to "Yellow" ones in cars in this segment. Gives it a cold/futuristic look throughout. This perfectly blends with the new steering wheel (Which I absolutely love) and the red ambient light.

My core memories with the Taigun have always been with driving it. Confusing much bigger cars (Harrier/Compass/Innova/Fortuner etc) as to why they struggled so much to overtake me on the highway. Hitting 110 Kmph and realizing the 1.5 TSI is just getting warmed up.

Now coming to the elephant in the room "The DQ200". Yes it has been a problematic gearbox. Mechatronics failure, multiclutch failure, entire gearbox replacement are the trending terms on TeamBHP.
But it does feel like VW has made changes to it over the years to improve its reliability.

• The 1.5 TSI doesn't launch as briskly as you would expect. Looks like they have done this to reduce stress on the DQ200.
• The user manual mentions braking at signals instead of shifting to neutral. Looks like the gearbox coding has been changed to disengage the clutch on Braking.
• The gearbox doesnt keep switching between D1 and D2 in bumper to bumper traffic. Looks like VW prefers slipping the clutch in D2 compared to frying the mechatronics with frequent D1-D2 transitions.

I still may have a DSG failure at some time, or I may not. But as of now I think the "Probability" of having a DSG failure is similar to having a similar failure in any other car. I can live with that. I still have extended warranty and engine/gearbox cover addon just in case.

Manufacturers make mistakes, but they do learn from them as well. VW is still trying to leave the ghost of DQ200 failures behind.

The Taigun is a car that wont appeal immediately to people. It has to be lived/experienced for one to fall in love with it. Difficult to do that, while looking at the brochure/trying to fit 3 people in the rear/reading about DSG failures or over a short/long test drive. But it deserves your affection, because VW delivers on its promise to you. A good looking, sophisticated, robust, safe car that is fun to drive.

So there you have it, my 2 cents (Actually 5 cents, looking at the length of this post).

Cheers.

[Cadd7027]

Originally Posted by Tanu3000

I would like to give my 2 cents. I have been a comparatively long time VW owner based out of Bangalore.
Cheers.

Amazing details and thanks for the explanation.

As I am actively looking to get one. Can you recommend me a preferred dealer and ASS in Banglore based on your experience ?

I stay in Whitefelid but open to get it from any dealer and ASS who offers best service.

Also, What are your thoughts on the resale of VW's 2.0 cars ?

[MysticMind]

Originally Posted by Tanu3000

I would like to give my 2 cents.

Your 2 cents value is more like 2K$'s to me. Thanks a bunch for the useful information.

As per cartoq, the next facelift is due probably end of 2024, which is more than an year away. That too, the changes expected are very minimal and mostly cosmetic in nature. I will not be waiting so long to buy my next car.

Not to be fussy, but any inputs for these questions will be really helpful.

1. Should I consider a 1.0 AT with Torque Convertor tech or a 1.5 manual to eliminate any chance of DSG failure. My current car is an Innova and I don't look forward to car breakdowns in the middle of nowhere, that too leaving my family stranded - Not an experience I am looking for. Hence this question.
2. Used to hear a lot about sensitivity to quality of fuel in the past. Does the current gen VW's handle inferior quality fuel during highway drives without breaking down?
3. Has VW A.S.S improved over the years and are they considerate about customer satisfaction. To narrow it down, my question would be about service centers in Bengaluru.

Appreciate any inputs on these questions.

[Tanu3000]

Originally Posted by Cadd7027

As I am actively looking to get one. Can you recommend me a preferred dealer and ASS in Banglore based on your experience ?

Also, What are your thoughts on the resale of VW's 2.0 cars ?

As far as I understand, there are 4 VW dealers in Bangalore. Palace Cross /Apple Auto (Whitefield) /Elite Motors (Hosur Road) /PPS Motors (Nagavara). I have had dealings with only 3 of them. I bought my polo from Apple Auto in 2014 and gave it for service there for a few years. The service experience initially was decent but it dropped off after 3-4 years. I then shifted to Elite Motors for service and have stuck to them since then. I am going to them for the servicing of my Taigun as well.

They are a "Comparatively" honest lot, do their job well and take care of all complaints (If any) in a timely manner (Routine maintenance gets completed on the same day). They occasionally try to push useless stuff on you, but will take it back if you insist. They do have a bit of a margin in their service quotes, but I willingly pay that because I know that all my issues are taken care of. Their mechanics though competent, are a bit dirty though and I have had cases of them mildly soiling my car seats. But overall I am satisfied with them.

I bought my Taigun from PPS motors. Their sales dealing was extremely quick and efficient, and I had a good experience with them. I do not have service experience with them.

I would suggest to try the one closest to you first. As Bangalore is a big city and getting around is painful. You can then see how things go

Regarding resale, I dont have too much of an opinion. I see that the Polo is holding its value in the second hand market. It probably would hold true for the Taigun/Virtus as well?

Originally Posted by MysticMind

Your 2 cents value is more like 2K$'s to me. Thanks a bunch for the useful information.

1. Should I consider a 1.0 AT with Torque Convertor tech or a 1.5 manual to eliminate any chance of DSG failure. My current car is an Innova and I don't look forward to car breakdowns in the middle of nowhere, that too leaving my family stranded - Not an experience I am looking for. Hence this question.
2. Used to hear a lot about sensitivity to quality of fuel in the past. Does the current gen VW's handle inferior quality fuel during highway drives without breaking down?
3. Has VW A.S.S improved over the years and are they considerate about customer satisfaction. To narrow it down, my question would be about service centers in Bengaluru.

I am glad to be of help to a fellow Bhpian

1. This is a difficult question to answer without knowing your current/future usage. Looking at your response, I think highway drives may be a priority? In that case going for the 1.5 TSI manual would be better. Less gear shifts and you get use that explosive engine to its full extent. City drives dont do justice to the 1.5 TSI. I barely can cross 2000 rpm in normal day-to-day driving with the GT+.

2. The recommended octane level for the 1.5 TSI is 95, though it can run on 91 octane as well. If you do go for the 1.5 TSI, I would suggest to feed it 95 octane as the difference in performance/efficiency/behavior is noticeable.

Occasional suspect fuel should not be a problem, but you have to keep an eye on the fuel quality of the petrol you are feeding it. The 1.5 TSI is a highly specialized engine with very fancy high pressure fuel injectors. It is not a "Fill and Forget" engine. If you have regular highway runs on known roads, I would suggest having established CoCo petrol pumps for your car's fuel stops.

3. In short it has gotten better. I have answered this above in more detail above.

Cheers

[petro_phoenix]

Hello BHPians,
Requesting your 2 cents on a dilemma. This is a question I have also asked on the City hybrid thread.

Context:
I drive almost 20 km everyday in peak traffic (through HiTech city area in Hyderabad) with a monthly airport ride (70 km roundtrip) on the plush ORR. I am deciding between VW Taigun 1.5L DSG and City ZX hybrid. I'm currently driving a 2018 manual Jazz and while it's a great practical package, it makes me frown every time I see an empty patch and try to floor the pedal. So, having a fun engine-gearbox combination is an absolute necessity for the new steed. Some of the factors weighing in on my mind for both these are are:
Taigun:
Pros:

1. On-demand torque on tapping the accelerator.
2. Ride and handling of the Taigun, seems to be perfectly balanced between city and highway needs.
3. 5* Safety.

Cons:

1. Given how I drive in traffic 90% of the distance, with multiple patches slow moving bumper to bumper traffic, DSG is the elephant in the room.
2. Interiors that are designed for 2013. Only the design and feel. Not sure about the longevity, and future rattling.

City Hybrid
Pros:

1. Hybrid technology which seems to give the best of both worlds, an EV-like behaviour in the city with an ICE-like range.
2. The plush feeling as soon as I enter the cabin.
3. Aspirational value of city while growing up as a gen Z kid.
4. The hybrid seems to negate the rubber band effect, which was the only con of the petrol City CVT.

Cons:

1. Lack of exclusivity, with the City looking similar to Amaze.
2. Lack of luggage space. I'd be making monthly airport trips with an extended weekend's worth of luggage for 2 people.
3. The low seating will make me suffer from the high beams of oncoming traffic. City drivers these days seem to be using them on well-lit undivided patches, with no regards for the other bikers and drivers.

Conundrum:
While the number of reported DSG incidents seem to have reduced now, I'm not sure if that's true or the recent victims are just being silent about it, as they've signed up for the risk while buying. At this stage of my life and career, I am apprehensive to spend time on dealing with DSG failures and of landing in a spot where I don't have a car in my garage . Should I avoid having a DSG as the only car in my garage? Also, should I factor in the Honda hybrids being a new technology within India and the service engineers not being experienced to handle the issues? Please advise.

[Gotham]

Originally Posted by petro_phoenix

While the number of reported DSG incidents seem to have reduced now, I'm not sure if that's true or the recent victims are just being silent about it, as they've signed up for the risk while buying. At this stage of my life and career, I am apprehensive to spend time on dealing with DSG failures and of landing in a spot where I don't have a car in my garage . Should I avoid having a DSG as the only car in my garage? Also, should I factor in the Honda hybrids being a new technology within India and the service engineers not being experienced to handle the issues? Please advise.

DSG failures have reduced but extended warranty should keep you covered for 6 years for now with an option to extend further in future so I wouldn't stress too much over it (I have a vento TSI DSG & Slavia DSG )

I would suggest you try the Virtus GT as well , I loved the Virtus but went with Slavia only because wife found the rear seats more plush.

Honda City is not bad but honestly I could never feel connected to the car while driving