[virgopal]

How do we remove dried up and hard-to-remove bird droppings from external areas? Just shampoo will do?

[aargee]

Originally Posted by harihs_dr

I am open to any suggestions.

Since you're open to suggestions...
If I were you, I would stay off from products like shampoo + wax or all in ones like compound + polish + wax + sealant kind of products (worst being shampoo + wax); reason being simple, if something is supposed to do its job, I would expect it to do that job perfect. No additional. As a shampoo, it's supposed to...
- Clean the dirt - It has to
- Wax - My question will be why?
Honestly speaking, I would go even products like 3M or Sonax car shampoo as long as this product should do 100% perfect what it should be doing. Anyway, that's my school of thought.

Coming back to Black Diamond, I understand that its Polish + sealant; which means, you really don't need to wax. Again, my school of thought always goes that, wax is better than sealant. Though I've tested with Opti seal several times, I don't find it convincing or may be I don't know the right way to test. Either case, I haven't found sealant superior to wax except that sealant is easier to apply. Since it has got sealant properties, I wouldn't doubt that it will leave a rich look after applying & frankly speaking, I would question, Do I need to apply any wax in the first place

To answer you, if your concern is, if the sealant polymer of BFWD would bond with "any" wax or only "specific" waxes...that is something, I've to check myself as I only take every "honest" review with a pinch of salt. I would take this as an opportunity to test it myself with & without wax surfaces & see how long each of them lasts. Either case, no harm applying the wax except for the bonding between sealant polymer & wax surface.

Originally Posted by virgopal

How do we remove dried up and hard-to-remove bird droppings from external areas? Just shampoo will do?

Two things here, from my little experience of having super bird drop issue that is going on for last several months...

Direct paint surface or the surface that doesn't have wax...
1. Hard to remove using regular car shampoo + have to keep scrubbing & scrubbing using MF wash mitt which certainly leaves damaged paint
2. If the droppings are removed after an hour on a sunny day, little easier to remove with paint damage
3. If the droppings are removed within minutes/immediately, easy to remove + no paint damage

Waxed paint surface...
1. Just two scrub with wash mitt & the surface becomes clean with no paint damage
2. Be it one minute, one hour, one day or even one week (have checked all these), its same as #1; absolutely no damage to the paint & easy to clean also. BTW, I use Collinite 815 liquid wax; I'm not propagandizing to use it, but to state this is the wax I use to live with point #2

[sagarpadaki]

aargee, small correction. Black fire wet diamond all finish paint protection is not polish plus sealant. It is just a pure sealant and a strong one at that

[aargee]

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

aargee, small correction. Black fire wet diamond all finish paint protection is not polish plus sealant. It is just a pure sealant and a strong one at that

Oh!! shoots really??? Then he shouldn't even be using this in the first place!! Then no need for wax also.

[sagarpadaki]

Originally Posted by aargee

Oh!! shoots really??? Then he shouldn't even be using this in the first place!! Then no need for wax also.

Why should he not use it?
And any wax can be used over Black Fire Wet Diamond like collinite, megs yellow wax etc. Provided you have applied 2 layers of BFWD with 12 hours between layers

[carrerastrax]

Originally Posted by harihs_dr

What wax can be used with blackfire wet diamond all finish paint protection.

I have used collinite 915 over blackfire and I've noticed the following.

1. Collinite takes away majority of the slickness left behind by blackfire if applied within a day (even after the recommended 8 hour cure time of blackfire sealant).

2. Applying after 2-3 days is a better option as the sealant gets more time to cure. However, some slickness is still gone after applying collinite. Blackfire takes atleast a couple of days to fully cure. And collinite has cleaners/solvents that cleans the previous layers.

3. There's no need for any wax immediately after blackfire. While I like warmth of the shine left behind by collinite in comparison to blackfire, it's counter productive to use both together - Less is more. I use collinite as a top up wax every month or two. And full detail every six months. Because of these regular top up routines, I've been unable to verify the tell tale signs of durability - beading sheeting etc. But I have a feeling that it's reduced as well.

4. I've read that blackfire works well with its midnight sun carnauba wax. But I've not tried it as its expensive and I didn't see the investment value on a daily drive.

Hope it helps. Please note that these observations are from my personal experiences. Has anyone else witnessed the same patterns/results?

[aargee]

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Why should he not use it?

One main reason...SEALANT. Sealant locks the paint & protects it, which is the same work of wax. This is my understanding about a sealant.

[harry10]

Originally Posted by aargee

One main reason...SEALANT. Sealant locks the paint & protects it, which is the same work of wax. This is my understanding about a sealant.

Quite right. Both are used as LSP. People do a wax over sealant just for additional shine and some extra peace of mind. Otherwise sealant itself is good enough. I am going to do a Optimum car wax over Poorboy Ex-p sealant next month just to see how it fares.

[aargee]

Originally Posted by harry10

People do a wax over sealant just for additional shine and some extra peace of mind

I stopped simply because I find sealant is not so effective + way too expensive while a simple, natural, cost effective carnauba wax does the same

Originally Posted by harry10

I am going to do a Optimum car wax over Poorboy Ex-p sealant next month just to see how it fares.

Ok, but, the below is one of THE BEST post, please don't ignore it

Originally Posted by carrerastrax

I have used collinite...from my personal experiences. Has anyone else witnessed the same patterns/results?

[harry10]

Originally Posted by aargee

I stopped simply because I find sealant is not so effective + way too expensive while a simple, natural, cost effective carnauba wax does the same

Ok, but, the below is one of THE BEST post, please don't ignore it

Not true. As per my research sealants and waxes are almost at the same price band. Of course which brand matters. Most detailers recommend and use sealants cos they are more durable than waxes.

Sorry didn't get the second part. Are you saying Collinite is the best? Can't comment as I haven't used it yet. However, collinite 845 which is mostly used and appreciated by masses is more of a sealant than wax.

I have chosen Optimum car wax cos it's a spray wax so its easy to use after doing a lot of elbow grease with glazes and sealant. Plus it's got awesome reviews all over the world and lasts long.

[dionysus]

My humble attempt at adding some bling

[sagarpadaki]

Originally Posted by aargee

I stopped simply because I find sealant is not so effective + way too expensive while a simple, natural, cost effective carnauba wax does the same

Not entirely true. Although they are on the costlier side, good sealants are more resistant to elements than waxes. The best sealant out there,IMHO, - Ultima Paint Guard Plus- lasts for 3 months easily and costs less than a hundred bucks for a application.

Besides life, ease of application and removal is one of the plus points of good sealants.

I am in no way questioning your choice of using a wax. Just mentioned the facts .To each his own.

[aargee]

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Not entirely...less than a hundred bucks for a application

Been using Optimum Sealant for over 2+ years now & didn't find it anyway superior to Collinite 815 wax

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Besides life, ease of application and removal is one of the plus points of good sealants

Without a doubt

[virgopal]

Originally Posted by aargee

Been using Optimum Sealant for over 2+ years now & didn't find it anyway superior to Collinite 815 wax


Without a doubt

Originally Posted by aargee

Since you're open to suggestions...
If I were you, I would stay off from products like shampoo + wax or all in ones like compound + polish + wax + sealant kind of products (worst being shampoo + wax); reason being simple, if something is supposed to do its job, I would expect it to do that job perfect. No additional. As a shampoo, it's supposed to...
- Clean the dirt - It has to
- Wax - My question will be why?
Honestly speaking, I would go even products like 3M or Sonax car shampoo as long as this product should do 100% perfect what it should be doing. Anyway, that's my school of thought.

Coming back to Black Diamond, I understand that its Polish + sealant; which means, you really don't need to wax. Again, my school of thought always goes that, wax is better than sealant. Though I've tested with Opti seal several times, I don't find it convincing or may be I don't know the right way to test. Either case, I haven't found sealant superior to wax except that sealant is easier to apply. Since it has got sealant properties, I wouldn't doubt that it will leave a rich look after applying & frankly speaking, I would question, Do I need to apply any wax in the first place

To answer you, if your concern is, if the sealant polymer of BFWD would bond with "any" wax or only "specific" waxes...that is something, I've to check myself as I only take every "honest" review with a pinch of salt. I would take this as an opportunity to test it myself with & without wax surfaces & see how long each of them lasts. Either case, no harm applying the wax except for the bonding between sealant polymer & wax surface.



Two things here, from my little experience of having super bird drop issue that is going on for last several months...

Direct paint surface or the surface that doesn't have wax...
1. Hard to remove using regular car shampoo + have to keep scrubbing & scrubbing using MF wash mitt which certainly leaves damaged paint
2. If the droppings are removed after an hour on a sunny day, little easier to remove with paint damage
3. If the droppings are removed within minutes/immediately, easy to remove + no paint damage

Waxed paint surface...
1. Just two scrub with wash mitt & the surface becomes clean with no paint damage
2. Be it one minute, one hour, one day or even one week (have checked all these), its same as #1; absolutely no damage to the paint & easy to clean also. BTW, I use Collinite 815 liquid wax; I'm not propagandizing to use it, but to state this is the wax I use to live with point #2

argee Sir,following your tip, I put some lukewarm water on the dropping area, left for one hour and wiped clean(without rubbing) and it has vanished without any trace or scratches. Did not use Shampoo
Thanks

[aargee]

Originally Posted by virgopal

I put some lukewarm water on the dropping area, left for one hour and wiped clean(without rubbing) and it has vanished without any trace or scratches

Sir, please get some rinseless wash concentrate like ONR or Ultima (prefer this) as quick detailer or anything of your choice. Keep it handy on a sprayer bottler & use it, you don't have to waster even a minute. It cleanses in less than a minute. You can also use the same QD to keep the vehicle shine like new almost everyday. Also saves plenty of time avoiding to wash & detail every weekend or two. Last but not the least, saves money.

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