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Old 21st June 2022, 10:33   #751
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

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Two scenarios

1. There is fuel in it. Note that as per International standards, there should be at least 50km worth of fuel when it shows "empty"
". That should be 5L for Gypsy.

2. The fuel tank has a dent that has decreased it capacity.
Hey thanks Aroy. This is a brand new gypsy, one of the last few from the Maruti production line. There is less chance of the dent but I will get it checked anyway.

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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

Guys, what's the cost of:

1. Lambda FW hub (parts + labor)
2. installing power steering (parts + labor)
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

Guys, is a FE of 7-8 kmpl the norm for a near-stock Gypsy ? What are the options to improve this ?
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Old 3rd July 2022, 20:31   #754
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

Got my Lambda hubs for 5000/- a pair two years ago -- must be around 5.5 to 6K now. Swastikfabs may give you TBHP discount !
Labour should be a couple of hundreds at a FNG with Gypsy knowhow, as it is simple to fit. Even DIY is possible.

Not much idea about power steering, but if you can get a Zen setup from the second hand market, it should be within 5K, I was told. Fitting the mechanicals is easy, making the electrical/electronics connections are said to be tricky.

7-8 KMPL okay only in the hills on unpaved roads. On paved roads with 2WD one should get 10-12 kmpl with the MPFI models, at least. Check and clean injectors, spark plugs, MAF, air filter etc. (Can fit K&N air filter if area driven in is not too dusty -- there is slight improvement in power and milege due to better breathing). See that brakes are not dragging, and gearbox and diffs have good oil.
One very important thing we miss nowadays is to lubricate crosses of all three drive shafts. These are the only grease points in the Gypsy, and no MASS even keeps grease guns, I think. Get these points greased from a standard car wash centre, or from a roadside mechanic.

I am sure those more experienced with Gypsies can offer more advice.
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Hiya Pal,

Aisin hubs are the gold standard. You can source them from abroad. They may set you back by 10K each.
Maybe another 1500-2000 for fitment if you go to a specialist like Ranjith Ballal. Personally I would prefer to buy Aisin and go to such an expert.

However, Lamda seem to be an acceptable alternative and they are made in Bangalore, in that Veerasandra Industrial Estate near Electronic City, on the opposite side of the Hosur Road, somewhere near the Continental Tyres big office. And these Lamdas as earlier mentioned cost much less.

It is not at all true that the stock Gypsy gives such low mileage as you have written.

My Gypsy consistently gives 10 -11 in the city (I drive this particular stock soft top Gypsy with its stock Estate tyres very gently in general). And my recent highway run to Vellore and back with a full load of tyres it gave me 13kmpl. I never exceeded 80-90kmph on that run.

Please refer also to my friend Bibendum, on his recent run in my old Green Gypsy hardtop which he bought. He drove it to Kochi from BlR, via Cumbum and Theni and all, with a full load and he said he got 13.8 kmpl. That engine in that particular Gypsy just begs to be revved and driven hard. But Bibendum said he drove it at 80-85kmph. That Gypsy growls because it has a modified end can exhaust and a K&N conical air intake and that makes one feel like stomping on the gas and enjoy the gear changes so that one can hear the lovely sound on the over run. And it has Goodyear Wrangler 215/75/15 radials. Plus he has upgraded the suspension to Old Man Emu. When I had the self same Green Gypsy with me it had the stock suspension, but all else was the same in terms of engine spec and mods. And on my highway runs in that Gypsy I have also experienced 13kmpl.

So in the end it is all about how you drive it and where you drive it too.

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Guys, what's the cost of:

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2. installing power steering (parts + labor)
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Guys, is a FE of 7-8 kmpl the norm for a near-stock Gypsy ? What are the options to improve this ?
Long post. But trying to pen down my experience in a simple way.

It is worth putting a mild steel fuel tank guard in these Gypsys. Iíve done that on my old one and on my new one. It protects the sheet metal tank from sharp stones and all. Long ago (1997) I ve experienced a fuel tank breach on account of a sharp stone and it isnít a pleasant experience. In those days also the tank was made of sheet metal and a sharp stone breached it while driving over one of those flyovers which were under construction in Madras. I had to resort to WW1 biplane pilots tricks of locating the breach and the. rubbing soap over it to staunch the Petrol leak. And for good measure put some chewing gum and sticking plaster on top till I could reach the garage and give the vehicle so that they could drain the tank and remove it and solder the leaks with brass/ copper. It took 2 days of work at Kamleshís Garage, Electra Automotive in Madras. He was the Guru I used to go to those days. And I was out of action on the weekend with no vehicle.

In ref to the tank capacity. It is 40 litres. The fuel gauge needle is a bit vague. It stays persistently near the upper half of the gauge markings for a long time and then when the actual fuel in the tank reaches approx the 15 litre mark, it suddenly drops whoosh and shows as near empty. This has been my experience with all the Gypsys I ve ever owned.

And the present one is my 5th Gypsy in 25 years.


Also do note that when you let the tank become very close to empty, the diminishing petrol level creates a vacuum inside and actually the fuel tank surface skin contracts and then it becomes really very hard to open the fuel tank filler lid. One has to wrestle with it a lot. And when one finally succeeds in wrestling it open with oneís hand grip, one can head the audible plunk of the tank going back to shape because air has entered it. (Itís like a half full plastic bottle when you squeeze the air out and then shut the lid, it gets a little deformed). I let the Gypsy tank become low on petrol after my recent Vellore run and experienced this all over again. Hence I suggest it is best to keep oneís tank topped up at all times. Atleast have 30 litres in it at all times, which basically means it is worth topping up every 120 kms of running.

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Hey thanks Aroy. This is a brand new gypsy, one of the last few from the Maruti production line. There is less chance of the dent but I will get it checked anyway.

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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

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Guys, what's the cost of:

1. Lambda FW hub (parts + labor)
2. installing power steering (parts + labor)
1. Lamda FW hubs will cost you around ₹6k. If you can wait, Aisin hubs can be ordered on Boodmo.
2. Power steering should cost around 30k-40k (parts and labour) depending o whether you buy all new parts or used parts

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Guys, is a FE of 7-8 kmpl the norm for a near-stock Gypsy ? What are the options to improve this ?
Stock 1.3L Gypsy returns an FE of around 12kmpl in 2H mode. In 4H and 4L it reduces to around 7-8kmpl which is obvious. If you add the power steering, expect 1-2kmpl drop. if you add AC, reduce 1-2kmpl more. Tyres doesn't affect the FE to a great extent but if you add extra big tyres, reduce 1-2kmpl further.
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

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Suggest talk to Puneeth of Essaarr Automotive JC Road. He will recommend where to get the Koyo Power Steering unit fitted and will also get you the parts. Best go for brand new. Budget about 40K for parts and labour all inclusive.


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Long post. But trying to pen down my experience in a simple way.

It is worth putting a mild steel fuel tank guard in these Gypsys.

In ref to the tank capacity. It is 40 litres.


Also do note that when you let the tank become very close to empty, the diminishing petrol level creates a vacuum inside...
Thank you for the detailed post.

Mild sheet fuel tank guard is a great idea. Any place I could get it done in Chennai?

As of now I dont want to get the tank opened up as the vehicle is functional. Once opened there is a risk of the vehicle being marooned till a part or replacement comes in.

That vacuum pop is characteristic of the gypsy. Generally happens on long distance rides. Happens often on Chennai Bangalore drives.

Occasionally when the fuel level is low there is a smell of petrol in the cabin. Mechanics havent been able to source the cause of the smell yet. Only happens when the tank is less than one fourth. Any headers?
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

@Hemanth, @Shankar: Thank you.


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Suggest talk to Puneeth of Essaarr Automotive JC Road. He will recommend where to get the Koyo Power Steering unit fitted and will also get you the parts..
I am still exploring at this point, and have not got one yet. The options at the moment are Gypsy or a 540. Which ever way I go, I will have lot more queries and requests in related threads.
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Koyo Power Steering unit fitted
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Esteem's power steering unit a direct fit for the gypsy? A FNG I know used to get some additional SGP parts for change of axis power delivery because the RWD placement of the engine.
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

Suggest buy this from Prad or Swastik Fabs in Bangalore. It may cost about 4000/-
Here is a pic.

Ref the fuel smell. Probably the vapour more than anything else.



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Mild sheet fuel tank guard is a great idea. Any place I could get it done in Chennai?

Occasionally when the fuel level is low there is a smell of petrol in the cabin. Any headers?
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From what Ive heard from various mechanics these Koyo units are used commonly in the Eeco and Carry and Zen and Esteem.
And that is the same unit which will be used for the Gypsy too.
I dont have first hand experience because none of my Gypsys have been fitted with power steering.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Esteem's power steering unit a direct fit for the gypsy?.
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Suggest buy this from Prad or Swastik Fabs in Bangalore. It may cost about 4000/-
Here is a pic.
Thank you. Will get in touch with them.

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Ref the fuel smell. Probably the vapour more than anything else.
Yes vapour smell. Is it normal?
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Guys, is a FE of 7-8 kmpl the norm for a near-stock Gypsy ? What are the options to improve this ?
7-8 kmpl is way too low unless you're on 4H/4L in off roading. As Shankar mentioned, my largely stock 1.3 hardtop Gypsy returned 13.8 kmpl on a recent highway trip from Bangalore to Kochi. This is of course tankful to tankful calculation. It was driven well within 90 kmph and mostly at 80 kmph.

I also have a soft top Gypsy which is built and primarily used for off roading excursions, ex owner of it is D Bhpian dhanushs.It has power steering and AC, runs on 235/75/R 15 Maxxis Trepador tyres and Iron man suspension. Couple of months ago, on a trip to Chikmagalur for an off road event, it returned 11.5 kmpl with AC on all along the highway. Hope it helps.

Here are my two Gypsies
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Re: Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

I had my first drive in a Gypsy today. First impressions: the ride is not really bad when the roads are fine. (Key word there: 'When" ). Its on broken roads or pot-holes and stuff that things are not nice. Steering is ok too, and a EPS can take care of that.

Also drove a MM550 today, and surprised that the space in the Gypsy at the rear is better. I am looking at the length behind the driver/pax seat upto tailgate. The width between the wheel arches on the inside was surprisingly same, even though the Gypsy is narrower.

Thanks to all who responded to my queries. The search continues. Let's see which way it goes.
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