[chheringpal]

Originally Posted by Vikram9193

We have some bends like that. My current car with a 5.4 meter turning radius can’t clear it. Became a problem when I got a rear tyre in the air while reversing and then of course the parking brake didn’t work Can’t imagine what it will be like in the rain.

That's one of my fears driving here, especially in and around Shimla. The roads are narrow with turns and slopes.
Let's see how Jimny holds up in the real world. That will help me decide whether to go for it (apart from pricing ofcourse).

[ani446]

Hello everyone, can anyone suggest good All Terrain tyres for Jimny? I want keep the stock alloys on my alpha AT and change to decently wider tyres as a first thing when it comes. As many suggested here earlier, I could not find the 215 sections or 205 with 80 profile, most of them or 75 profile. Appreciate your suggestions.

[Desmosedici]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

This is a nice balanced review. And the reviewer is a known car photographer from Madras. Knows what he is talking about because he has owned and driven multiple off roaders.

The reviewer is none other than GSFerrari, a tbhpian who is active on this thread as well.

He has had a Gypsy before and Pajeros and Fortuners to give him company.

I think he has booked the Jimny too.

[Chetan_Rao]

For those wondering about tight U-turns in the hills, you'll definitely be making more 3-point turns than a comparable footprint hatchback/compact sedan.

One of the off-road obstacle courses at the media drive actually involved driving up and down a steeply inclined rutted road with multiple 3-point hairpin bends (including doing one downhill in reverse).

Jimny's width means it can go where the larger off-roaders can't, but expecting it to be anywhere near as agile as an Alto around bends is an exercise in futility.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by ssingri

Is this true.

This is little more complicated and whole thread can be taken over on discussion, there is gear ratio, then transfer case that has a diff multiplier in AT and MT and then the final gear ratio. All 3 needs to be factored in. Just do a search there should be a thread somewhere here explaining this.

Attaching the full image for benefit of others who are interested.

Originally Posted by ani446

Hello everyone, can anyone suggest good All Terrain tyres for Jimny?

BF Goodrich is one tyre that I have seen many abroad use, not sure if it is available here in the required size. Finding a good set in 15" was always a challenge, earlier also. Yoko Geolander ATS and Maxxis Trepeadors were other brands that were available at 15" dia. One thing you may want to keep in mind is with the current set up changing the size more than 3% variation in overall diameter is going to zap the power and FE drastically in this vehicle.

While none of the reviewers anywhere have mentioned it, those puny tires are there for a reason! Best of comfort (sidewall) and FE (overall thread contact/drag) and remaining the robots take care like traction etc.

[gsferrari]

The Jimny media drive was a lot of fun and made more special for me because I got to hang out with Aditya and Chetan during the drive.

I think the Tbhp review covers all bases and it is now a question of how "premium" the Jimny gets on the 7th. Will it democratize off-road adventure in India or will it remain the exclusive toy for the well-heeled, rich and famous?

Those of us who owned the Gypsy have plenty of stories to tell because of how affordable, durable and fun it was. The cameraderie of the Gypsy cult transcended language, region and nationality. We all spoke the same language and almost all of us use tail-bone cushions today

Forget CSK vs GT, the real match is on the 7th of June

Originally Posted by Jaggu

While none of the reviewers anywhere have mentioned it, those puny tires are there for a reason! Best of comfort (sidewall) and FE (overall thread contact/drag) and remaining the robots take care like traction etc.

In my review I talked a fair bit about the stock tires and why most of us wouldn't need to change them. It all comes down to vanity and specialist applications. Soft sand and slush are terrain where bigger tires could make a difference. 15" options are limited. 235/75/R15 will be pushing it I feel. 215/75/R15 would be the best bet.

Do you even get Maxxis tires anymore? I loved the Trepador 235/75/R15.

[ani446]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

While none of the reviewers anywhere have mentioned it, those puny tires are there for a reason! Best of comfort (sidewall) and FE (overall thread contact/drag) and remaining the robots take care like traction etc.

Thank you!. Gagan Chowdary in his YouTube review mentioned that the stock tyres with 80 sidewall are super comfy especially off the road. As a novice, question is how much difference (ride and FE on road) does it make if I upgrade the width to 215 and downgrade the sidewall to 75 as these are widely available options here in India as of now. My usage is mostly on paved roads. It is just that the tyres too puny even to look at and AT tyres will give some character to this car at least.
But I hardly see any 205s also no 80 profile in AT category yet. Hopefully we will get few soon.

[locusjag]

Originally Posted by ssingri

Attached is a spec sheet for Jimmy says roughly the same thing. What surprises me is the AT seems to have a taller or overdrive final gear ratio and the manual has a 1:1 final ratio and the difference is about 30 percent. At 100 kmph manual runs at 3k rpm and the AT should run at 2300 or so. Is this true.

It's most likely the same old Nissan/Jattco 405e 4 speed Torque Converter AT as we've had in the AT versions of bygone A-Star, SX4, Swift Dzire, S-Cross (petrol), Brezza (Petrol, previous gen), Ertiga (previous gen) & XL6 (previous gen) models. And this transmission has a taaaall (sic.) 4th cog and a tall 3rg cog. Its 1st and 2nd cogs are way too short and closely placed.

The 4th cog makes for really relaxed highway cruising and allows superior fuel efficiency, as long as you're only cruising on high speed expressways. The 1st and 2nd cogs are why all the above listed cars have very low in-city fuel efficiency. In this transmission, the 1st gear hands off the 2nd way too quickly and we would typically rue the missing additional 3rd gear to keep the RPMs low at city speeds.

What I really like about the Jattco 405e transmission - it only costs Rs.80,000 in Boodmo, in case the transmission gets cooked (worst case). Any other Torque Converter or CVT unit would cost you 4 lakhs at a minimum to replace, for the transmission unit alone; you'd be forced to ferret through scrap dealer networks for reusable transmissions from totaled cars.

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

it is now a question of how "premium" the Jimny gets on the 7th. Will it democratize off-road adventure in India or will it remain the exclusive toy for the well-heeled, rich and famous?

Those of us who owned the Gypsy have plenty of stories to tell because of how affordable, durable and fun it was.

The last sales price of Gypsy was around 8 Lac Ex-showroom sometime in 17/18. And Gypsy had none of

AC
Power Steering
Power Windows
Not even Floor carpet (if my memory serves me right)

It was made manually by importing a lot of body parts from Japan.

If Maruti can launch this around 12 Lac mark, it will surely give them a lot of customers. However, to expect less than that is too much of a wish.

[tarmacnaut]

Originally Posted by chheringpal

Will the turning radius of Jimny affect driving on hilly roads which have hairpin bends?
I'm not worried about hairpin bends on highways but the small hairpin bends in village roads which also have a steep slope like in and around Shimla.
I drive an Alto K10, and didn't face much of an issue but as people are pointing out the turning radius of Jimny i wonder whether it will affect driving.

I have seen many reviews of Jimny, almost all the reviewers were driving the Jimny easily in the tight hairpin bends on the Dehra dun hills. None of them complained.

Even though the turning radius might be large, the car has a small width and track (the wheels are closely placed). So it will not take as much space like a big car with the same turning radius, contrary to what many people believe.

Maruti will never make a fallacy at such a crucial aspect like turning radius, after all this version is made for India's hill and off road terrain. But still it is better to take a test drive.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by ssingri

I haven't seen this discussed but the final ratios for the manual and auto seem to be different making the auto a better highway cruiser would love to get some inputs from the gurus. Further the TC gives you additional close ratios on off road tracks I don't know what that would imply maybe the off road guys can explain.

Originally Posted by ssingri

Attached is a spec sheet for Jimmy says roughly the same thing. What surprises me is the AT seems to have a taller or overdrive final gear ratio and the manual has a 1:1 final ratio and the difference is about 30 percent. At 100 kmph manual runs at 3k rpm and the AT should run at 2300 or so. Is this true.

Originally Posted by Jaggu

This is little more complicated and whole thread can be taken over on discussion, there is gear ratio, then transfer case that has a diff multiplier in AT and MT and then the final gear ratio. All 3 needs to be factored in. Just do a search there should be a thread somewhere here explaining this.

Attaching the full image for benefit of others who are interested.

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Originally Posted by ssingri

I haven't seen this discussed but the final ratios for the manual and auto seem to be different making the auto a better highway cruiser would love to get some inputs from the gurus. Further the TC gives you additional close ratios on off road tracks I don't know what that would imply maybe the off road guys can explain.

Originally Posted by ssingri

Attached is a spec sheet for Jimmy says roughly the same thing. What surprises me is the AT seems to have a taller or overdrive final gear ratio and the manual has a 1:1 final ratio and the difference is about 30 percent. At 100 kmph manual runs at 3k rpm and the AT should run at 2300 or so. Is this true.

Originally Posted by Jaggu

This is little more complicated and whole thread can be taken over on discussion, there is gear ratio, then transfer case that has a diff multiplier in AT and MT and then the final gear ratio. All 3 needs to be factored in. Just do a search there should be a thread somewhere here explaining this.

Attaching the full image for benefit of others who are interested.

Attachment 2456554

Gear ratios, transfer case ratios and the final drive ratio are all different for the AT and the MT; and although the AT has one less ratio the its calculated total gearing is sightly taller than the MT. In theory that makes the AT better highway cruiser. I mentioned in theory because the calculated total gearing of the AT depends on torque converter clutch being locked without slip. The locking of the TC clutch is dependent on engine load, throttle position, operating temp etc. So with TC locked up and in 4th gear the 4AT Jimny will do 100Kph at a slightly lower RPM than 5MT Jimny.

In the Jimny 4AT box, the 3rd is 1:1 and 4th is an overdrive. It is interesting to note that in Jimny 5MT, the 5th is a 1:1 ratio with no overdrive. In comparison the Gypsy Kings 5MT box the 4th is 1:1 and 5th is an overdrive. But for the lack of an OD ratio the Jimny 5MT has a taller transfer case ratio and FD ratio. The total gearing of the Jimny 4AT, 5MT and Gypsy King 5MT is compared below.

Ref: My post in (Maruti Jimny 4-door @ Auto Expo 2023) thread

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attac...gear_ratio.png

On the highway top gear transfer case in high
Variant - Top gear * TC Ratio * FD Ratio = Total gearing
Manual - 1.00000 * 1.00000 * 4.09000 = 4.09
4SpdAT - 0.70000 * 1.32000 * 4.30000 = 3.956

Off-road 1st gear transfer case in low
Variant - 1st gear * TC Ratio * FD Ratio = Total gearing
Manual - 4.42000 * 2.00000 * 4.09000 = 36.155
4SpdAT - 2.88000 * 2.64000 * 4.30000 = 32.693

MG314 total gearing. (Note: Gypsy king gear ratios are as found on the internet, pls correct and re-calculate if wrong).

Highway 5th gear TC high
5th Gear * TC High * FDR = Total gearing
0.795 * 1.409 * 3.73 = 4.178

Off-road 1st gear TC low
1st Gear * TC Low * FDR = Total gearing
3.652 * 2.268 * 3.73 = 30.894

So amongst the three, the Jimny 4AT with TC locked up should be the ideal cruiser as long as one does not need to drop a ratio for a quick overtake. The chasm is wide between the 4AT ratios and when dropping a couple of ratios for a quick overtake the engine will make its protest heard rudely.

Originally Posted by locusjag

It's most likely the same old Nissan/Jattco 405e 4 speed Torque Converter AT as we've had in the AT versions of bygone A-Star, SX4,

The Jimny 4AT is an Aisin box. This is a longitudinally mounted gearbox.

The old 4AT (jatco) boxes and new 6AT (aisin) boxes Maruti has sold over the years in their vehicles were transversely mounted FWD transaxles. That is the reason why they can't "plonk" a new 6AT transaxle from the Brezza or XL6 into the Jimny. Just mentioning this here as many were asking why Maruti can't use Fronxs 6AT in the Jimny.

Originally Posted by Samba

The MotorBeam guy managed it in 23.25 seconds. He was shifting around 5,200 RPM.

On another video Faisal Khan tried the same. He reached 0-100 in roughly 19 seconds.

Its slower by 4 to 5 seconds to 100Kph when compared to its own 3 door variant. The increased weight of the 5door has taken its toll on the engine's output. Off-road tyres (they're heavier for the same size) and other equipment will make its presence felt in a lethargic manner while on the road.

[gsferrari]

Originally Posted by tarmacnaut

I have seen many reviews of Jimny, almost all the reviewers were driving the Jimny easily in the tight hairpin bends on the Dehra dun hills. None of them complained.

Even though the turning radius might be large, the car has a small width and track (the wheels are closely placed). So it will not take as much space like a big car with the same turning radius, contrary to what many people believe.

Maruti will never make a fallacy at such a crucial aspect like turning radius, after all this version is made for India's hill and off road terrain. But still it is better to take a test drive.

I did a quick U-turn during the media drive. Insane traffic on the roads so I didn't have too much time to film it properly. You can see it in the video linked below. Yes the turning radius is big and you will need to compensate for it as if you were driving a much larger vehicle.

U-turn footage at 28:00. I don't know how to link directly to that part of the video :

https://youtu.be/4G-Vo1qek64?list=FL...QmTiu4A&t=1681

While making U-turns in the city you will need to keep a fair distance to the left and the problem is auto rickshaws and bikers will NOT give you the chance to make the u-turn in their rush to overtake. The Jimny is so narrow that you will leave enough room for even small cars to squeeze in as you try to make a U-turn. I can see a lot of 3-point turns happening even on generously wide roads.

Expect to be honked and gestured at

[VivekWalia1986]

BFGoodrich KO2 are available in 15 inches - LT215/75R15 ..Check out the link below , I have also called and confirmed with a dealer in my area and he told that the tyres are available with him and I need to visit to get a quote !

https://www.bfgoodrich.in/auto/tyres...errain-t-a-ko2

[rkmountain]

Originally Posted by Samba

If I go by these videos, the pick-up we can expect will be in league of the 800 cc cars like the Eon, Alto or the Maruti 800.

No issues if the pickup is in the league of alto, 800 and likes, But then price should also be in same league.
What is premium here

[Bibendum90949]

Originally Posted by gsferrari

While making U-turns in the city you will need to keep a fair distance to the left and the problem is auto rickshaws and bikers will NOT give you the chance to make the u-turn in their rush to overtake.

Exactly what we discussed in the other Jimny thread(now closed) few days ago, I've been pretty vocal about this aspect since I noticed many during the discussions were indicating that they were looking at Jimny as a pretty capable city car and now I feel vindicated

Below is the post, guess it's relevant to the ongoing discussions.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post5537480 (Maruti Jimny 4-door @ Auto Expo 2023)