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Old 19th September 2019, 18:27   #3226
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All the respected T-Jet owners. I know there is a thread which was opened this year which talks about if it makes sense buying one in 2019. I am bored of my 2017 Baleno petrol 1.2 to be very honest and getting an itch to go for a pre-owned t-jet.
I have owned a Palio S10 earlier and an Uno before that. Burnt my pockets maintaining them but yes it was a joyful ownership barring those holes and I know these cars come with their share of pros and cons but my heart wants to dive for a T-jet. I tried twice earlier and missed very narrowly buying a t-jet.
There are two service centres in Hyderabad as of now and I am sure no one knows when they will shut shop.

Heart says to sell my existing car and go for a pre-owned t-jet (as i can't afford to maintain both) but mind says don't look else where because of the peace of mind I am getting in owning a Maruti.

Just wanted vent my dilemma here
So many Fiat lovers and enthusiast are in this dilemma. I know someone who recently serviced his Tjet and the bill came to a whopping 30k.

It is expensive and also the running costs are on a higher side but Joy is endless.

Even I was in the same situation as you but could not see myself maintaining a new Tjet from 2019 to say 2025 or so. There is one which services Fiats in Mumbai but you never know when they would go out of business. Till there is Jeep (Compass), FCA cannot deny servicing the Tjet and providing spares and parts.

Anyways I wish you do what feels right to yourself than what makes sense to the world.

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Did you get a chance to go on a highway/spirited drive? If so, how do these fare when compared to the Hankooks in terms of road noise, grip, steering feel etc.?
I finally got a chance to take her out to Srirangapatna and back yesterday.
  • Road Noise : Quieter than the Hankooks
  • Grip : As good as the Hankooks. No real difference that I could tell
  • Steering Feel : As good as the Hankooks. No real difference that I could tell
  • Ride Quality : Absorbs bumps better than the Hankooks without feeling 'squishy'
Tyre Pressure was 36F/33R, with 4 adults on board.

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Hi folks. I am interested in upgrading my Tjet lights with projector LEDs. Any recommendations and where I can get this done in Chennai? How much will the cost be? In case this is too expensive alternatives that I can go far? I was recently commuting in my friends car which had projector LEDs and I found its low beam quite powerful and covered good area and immediately felt the visibility to be much better compared to that of my Linea's OEM lights.
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The Odyssey of Pegasus - 9 years with the Linea T-Jet

Part 1

Prelude

After returning from Australia and moving to Bangalore in 2007, I was petrified of driving. The driving conditions in India had dramatically changed in the past decade. I had got pampered with the conditions down under. So, I decided to get a Fiat Palio Stile (Suzan was vehemently against an used car). The choice was made, as I loved the way the car drove & felt. It was under 4L OTR at that point in time and wouldn't really hurt in case of bumps & scratches. The idea was to drive the car for a couple of years, re-learn driving in India & then move to a sedan. However, that was not to be.

Year 2008, the recession hit me hard & upgrading the car went to page 2 on the wish list. So, I continued using the Palio & had driven 75000 kms by August 2012. The car had served me well & I did not regret my purchase even once.

The Purchase

Due to a string of coincidences and a case of being in the right place at the right time, Prerana Motors (Vecto did not exist back then) offered me a 2010 Linea T-Jet, with 148 kms on the odo, for a mouth watering price. Suzan & me went to the stockyard to look at the car & it was love at first sight, for both of us. Mr. Premanand assured me that the car was never used as a TD car, but was used as display car in the showroom on a few occasions. Since I knew him, I did not have any reasons to doubt his statement. Also, though the car was a 2010 model, I would be the first owner. So, it is a brand new, two year old car. It was a T-Jet - not the Plus variant. Came with 15" steel rims & fabric upholstery.

Suzan named her Pegasus. I know it is a male name and we both think of the car as female. We decided to keep gender considerations out, like Donald Duck (Should have been Donald Drake, methinks)

I made the booking on 12th August, did a PDI at the dealer's yard on 14th August and was hoping to get delivery on 16th or 17th August. Then the problems started. First, I had to travel on business for a week. Then when I returned to Bangalore, I found out that there was some issue with the documents given to the financier. Name and address were not legible on the Electricity bill.

So, provided another copy and all was done. 25th August the money was released. I had agreed with the dealer that they would send the car for registration on 27th and I will take delivery on the 29th or 30th. That was not to be the case. Suzan met with a small accident on the evening of 25th and ended up with 2 of her metacarpals in her left hand fractured and I was truly handicapped with no means of personal transport. The location I live was of no help. No access to public transport.

Full marks to Prerana Motors. Not only did they get the car registered on Monday, 27th August, but they also went the extra mile and brought the car over to my office and delivered it to me.

Some pictures from the morning after the day of delivery

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End of part 1.....

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Part 2

The Journey

As of today - 20-Sept-2019 - 2580 days later, here are the details of the good, the bad & the ugly. The odometer reads 102558 kms. The car has served me reasonably well, but it did have its share of failures and niggles. Let me try and list out things I can recollect.

The good

The car is a pleasure to drive, very comfortable and very confidence inspiring. The driving dynamics are spot-on. Doesn't get too unsettled on broken roads. I have driven the car on several long drives, the longest being Bangalore to Kolkata & back to Mysore. The car did not disappoint. It isn't a gas guzzler. Depending on the way I drive, it returns anything between 15 kmpl to 20+ kmpl on highways. The highest FE I ever managed was 24.xx kmpl.

The bad

Availability of spares & quality of service is iffy. After bad experiences with the service centers in Bangalore, I started doing the regular oil service myself & would head to Salem for major services. I have used fully synthetic engine oil from day one and change oil & filters every 10000 kms. The car drives butter smooth, but the gear shift has always been a disappointment

The ugly

Here, let me list the failures

Component failures
  1. ACC gasket where the pipes connect to the condenser failed at less than 5000 kms. It was replaced under warranty & still going strong
  2. Clutch wore out at 30000 kms. Replaced with OE clutch kit, which is still going strong
  3. Rear brake pads wore out at 30000 kms as well. Replaced it. Then replaced both front and rear pads with Brembo pads at 60000 kms. Both are still going strong & last I checked, they had about 50% life left
  4. AC compressor failed at 70000 kms. At ₹ 35000, that was the most expensive failure till date
  5. A,B & C engine mounts needed replacement at around 80000 kms
  6. As part of regular maintenance, the timing belt was replaced at 60000 kms. However, at 90000 kms, I got a CEL and the scan told me it was a timing issue. The belt had to be replaced again.
  7. The ECU needed to be replaced at 40000 kms. This was a self-inflicted failure. We pried open the ECU in a bid to read the stock map, for remapping the car. This caused the ECU to stop working intermittently.
  8. The radiator got ruptured & had to be replaced. This was done just yesterday - 19th Sept 2019. This failure was a weird one and deserves to be elaborated. I have done that later in this post.

Most were actually wear & tear replacements, as you might have noticed.

Enhancements

I am a big DIY nut. So, any car has to be customized to my needs. I tend to do most of the modifications myself, except in cases where the required skill levels/equipment isn't within reach.

A list of additions/modifications to the car (I have threads for all these mods, which are linked, in case someone wants more details)
  1. Cruise Control (DIY: Cruise Control for the Fiat Linea)
  2. Motorized rear curtain (DIY: Motorized rear screen for the Linea)
  3. Puddle & Footwell lights (DIY: Puddle lamps & Footwell lights for the Linea T-Jet)
  4. Bigger Intercooler (DIY: Bigger Intercooler Install for Fiat Linea T-Jet)
  5. Bonnet Struts (Linea T-Jet DIY: Installing gas struts to lift the bonnet)
  6. Alcantara seat upholstery (My Fiat Linea T-Jet gets Alcantara & Leather interiors)
  7. OZ Racing Alloys (OZ Alloys and Victon TPMS on my Fiat Linea T-Jet)

Radiator rupture

The engine heat shield is held in place by two screws, which come with over-sized washers attached. One of them is right next to the oil filler cap. Sometime last year, that screw went missing. I sourced a replacement, but when I tried to fit it, I found the threaded hole in the engine had stripped. So, that explained how that screw went missing. I did not think much about it and continued driving happily. Last Sunday - 15-Sept-2019, we had driven down to Wayanad for lunch. During the return trip, I stopped at the corner store to pick something up. Suzan was sitting in the car & the engine was running. Then I noticed smoke coming out of the bonnet. I ran to the car and turned off the ignition & hurriedly got Suzan out of the car. Then I popped open the bonnet & realized that the smoke was actually water vapour, as the radiator fan was splashing hot coolant onto the hotter engine. It almost immediately stopped. The expansion tank was empty. I heaved a sigh of relief, as I thought the car was on fire. Especially after all that I did in the last couple of months (details in part 3).

Got the car towed to URS car care in Mysore. When we inspected the car, after putting it on a hoist, I found that the missing screw had somehow found its way in between the radiator & the fan. It got wedged there and was rubbing against the radiator fins. So, the fins got weaker over time, till it was too much to handle & it ruptured. URS cars had a replacement radiator. So, everything was dismantled and the new radiator fitted. When we started the engine again, everything was fine till the engine reached operating temperature. Once it did, the new radiator sprung a leak from the top RHS corner, near the bleeding valve. I was very disappointed with the quality of a brand new replacement part. URS cars managed to get another radiator in 3 days & this was replaced on Thursday. This one did not spring a leak, fortunately. As a goodwill gesture, they only charged me for the parts & waived off the labour cost.

Summary

What is my overall impression of the car? It is a fine piece of engineering, let down by mediocre sales & service. While the engine & the crucial components are of great quality, the assembly of the body panels & interiors leave a lot to be desired. Off late, spares have started to become a bit hard to get, which is a cause for concern. If given a chance to buy a car today, would I buy a Fiat Linea T-Jet again, assuming it was available? Possibly not. I have spinal issues and crawling under the car is getting harder with each service. So, I would get another car, which has dependable service.

End of part 2.....
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Part 3

The rejuvenation

Year 2018, I quit my full time job & started working as a consultant. This meant I could work out of anywhere, as long as I have a stable internet connection. Suzan & me had had enough of busy metropolitan city life & decided to move to a tier 2 city. After considering several places, we decided on Mysore. So, in July 2018, we moved to Mysore. My initial thought was to sell the Linea and get another car. Since I would be working out of home, the driving would dramatically reduce.

After several rounds of discussion, we both decided that buying another car at this point of time in my career was needless. The Linea was running fine and was more than sufficient for my usage. So, we decided to keep the Linea till she breaks down completely and has to be junked. One of the most important factors for this decision was the price being offered for the Linea. Suffice to say, it was less than the IDV in the insurance. Crashing the car & claiming insurance would be more profitable, albeit unethical & illegal.

The car had several bruises from Bangalore & Kolkata traffic encounters, but nothing major. Then in June, we drove down to visit a few Tibetan Monasteries, near Kollegal in Karnataka. In the monastery, I parked the car & for the first time in my life, forgot to engage hand brakes. I usually park in neutral, unless I am on a steep slope. I got off the car, shut the door, the car rolled forward and stopped after hitting a tree 10 foot ahead. The front upper grill broke & there was a medium sized dent in the bonnet. That was the last straw.

I decided that if I am going to keep the car, then a full body repaint & ceramic coating are in order. Decided to give the car to URS cars in Mysore for the repaint. The MD happens to be a friend & I was sure they will take extra care of the car. They did their best and I was quite satisfied with the results. I stuck with same body colour, but decided to get the alloys painted anthracite

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Once this was done, the next step was to get the car detailed and then ceramic coating done. Also, my car originally came with gloss black stickers on the A,B & C pillars, to give a continuous flowing look for the glass windows. Unfortunately, Fiat only provides matt black now & gloss isn't an option any longer. The original film was of very good quality, did not fade or peel in all these years & was pretty scratch resistant too. I wanted similar quality film. So, I ordered a roll of 5" gloss black film from ShadowLineTrim. The film is made by Avery Dennison and that sealed the deal.

I was not keen on going to a detailing studio and getting things done, as that would limit my choices of the products. So, i started looking for freelance detailers, who would come home and detail the car. For the ceramic coating, I decided to go with Avalon King Armor Shield IX. It was at this time that a fellow BHPian reached out to me and offered to come down & detail the car. He had recently started a detailing service called GlossWerkz and was based out of Mumbai. I was not very keen on the idea initially, as he would hardly break even with all the travelling expenses. But then I decided that the best way to support a friend who has started a new business would be to use his service. So, I gave him the go ahead, with the condition that I will pay for the travel & will host him at my house. After a bit of back & forth, the deal was struck & tickets were booked. The dates for detailing were 31st August to 2nd Sept.

Everything went to plan, but the ceramic coating did not arrive. It arrived in Mysore post office on 31st August, but wasn't delivered. This meant, I will have to apply the coating myself. The BHPian & his business partner Joe went to work on the car and I was very impressed with the attention to detail and the meticulous work they did.

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The ceramic coating was delivered on Wednesday. I had already received the black film & applied that on Tuesday. Ceramic coating was done on Thursday. I am quite pleased with the results & hope that the car will serve me for another 7 years. Here are some pics of the final results.

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What a write up!!! It was a great read...thoroughly enjoyed. keep enjoying the T-Jet...Appreciate you taking out time to write such a detailed writeup
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Everything went to plan, but the ceramic coating did not arrive. It arrived in Mysore post office on 31st August, but wasn't delivered. This meant, I will have to apply the coating myself. The BHPian & his business partner Joe went to work on the car and I was very impressed with the attention to detail and the meticulous work they did.
Excellent post's as usual PatchyBoy.

Glad I took the time to catch up with you, Suzan and the GlossWerkz team, see them in action and in the bargain learn how to detail a car properly.
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Also, my car originally came with gloss black stickers on the A,B & C pillars, to give a continuous flowing look for the glass windows. Unfortunately, Fiat only provides matt black now & gloss isn't an option any longer. The original film was of very good quality, did not fade or peel in all these years & was pretty scratch resistant too. I wanted similar quality film. So, I ordered a roll of 5" gloss black film from ShadowLineTrim. The film is made by Avery Dennison and that sealed the deal.
Stunning looks and may you enjoy many more years with this beast. I considered it when I bought my Cruze many years back and only my excellent rapport with then Sundaram Chevrolet swung the deal away.

Had a query on the AD gloss film. Where did you order it and how much was the cost? It it much better than the ubiquitous 3M ones? I also need to wrap my Octavia's B-pillar and the ORVMs, and maybe the roof too.

What do you suggest?
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Stunning looks and may you enjoy many more years with this beast. I considered it when I bought my Cruze many years back and only my excellent rapport with then Sundaram Chevrolet swung the deal away.

Had a query on the AD gloss film. Where did you order it and how much was the cost? It it much better than the ubiquitous 3M ones? I also need to wrap my Octavia's B-pillar and the ORVMs, and maybe the roof too.

What do you suggest?
Thanks. I sourced the vinyl film from shadowlinetrim dot com. At $ 34.95 for a 30' feet x 5" roll plus shipping, it wasn't exactly cheap. I do not have experience with 3M films, but did enquire with them. They wanted ₹ 5000 for the job. The T-Jet only needed around 12 feet. So, was able to share the cost with a couple of friends. Also, since the manufacturer made a mistake and cut the roll to 25' lengths, instead of 30', they shipped me 2 rolls. So, I ended up getting 50' for the cost of 30'.
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Just finished a 1500km drive with the Tjet over the Diwali weekend. Drove from Bangalore to Kanyakumari, Tiruchendur, Thiruparangundram and a host of other places. The return drive was done on 30-Oct-2019. It was raining heavily from the time we started at Thoothkudi in the early morning and continued to rain all the way till Dindugal. What a pleasant drive it was with the Linea Tjet in the rain. At 83K km in the odo, this machine never fails to impress every time we hit the highway.

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At 83K km in the odo, this machine never fails to impress every time we hit the highway.
I am guessing your's is the highest mileage T-jet on the forum?
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I am guessing your's is the highest mileage T-jet on the forum?
Hey Tgo, Not really. If you see the folks from Team BHP, Patchyboy in his recent posts in this thread updated he has completed 1L+ kms in the Tjet and even nkrishnap had completed 1.1L kms in his Tjet. I know a few people from the Team Fiat group who have also crossed 1L kms + with their Tjet. The highest reading that I have come across is from another Team fiatian named Rajen and his machine is running at 2L kms +. And all these owners I know did not have the need to refurbish the engine. They were just taking care of it well with regular oil changes and service.

I am sure all modern day engines can easily run upto 1.5L kms with just regular oil change and driven properly within the rev range.
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Recently got a gear throw reducer installed in my car. What a difference a small piece of metal for 5k makes!

A bit stiff while changing gears but the travel has reduced a lot and it is fun to drive
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Recently got a gear throw reducer installed in my car. What a difference a small piece of metal for 5k makes!

A bit stiff while changing gears but the travel has reduced a lot and it is fun to drive

Similar to this one?
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